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it applies cleanly and the tests run
happily afterwards (and I don't see any reason it won't after reading
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than the relatively sanitised summaries that end up in a PEP :)
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is in the hands of distutils-sig and
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option in the future.
But we aren't there yet, and won't be for 2.7 or 3.2. From an outsider's
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This is no more guesswork than the PyPI /simple index discovery protocol is.
You have zero idea what's at the end of a URL link. You're just hoping
it's the file you expect.
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manner as egg files. It's just not
*recommended* to use them that way, as the format is designed
primarily for use in distribution rather than runtime imports.
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probably a better point of reference, with a concrete distlib PEP
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easy_install, and see any popular elements
of setuptools metadata become officially defined *independently* of
any given implementation.
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generate a SPEC file which is actually half decent (by running the
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based on Ronald's comments later in this
thread, though.
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make the existing tools impossible to debug when
they go wrong.
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On 1/28/13 7:17 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
...
3. There needs to be a mechanism to inform automated tools of the
*right* version ordering to use, with PEP 386 being the default.
what happens when you compare two versions
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...
3. There needs to be a mechanism to inform automated tools of the
*right* version ordering to use
it
on PEP 345/426 style environment markers, which are basically the
same idea applied to dependency definitions in the package metadata:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0426/#environment-markers
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as the cosmetic fix to get the
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encoding, description-as-payload,
Obsoleted-By, optional components/dependencies and the metadata
extension mechanism, as well as those originally added in v1.2, such
as distribution level dependencies, additional URLs and the
environment marker concept).
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would be to
let people run pysetup install pip. The relative immaturity and lack
of testing of pysetup was one of the factors that led to packaging
being dropped from 3.3 (though there were other bigger problems).
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will sort before all the a releases (and
PEP 426 will be explicit about that). The dev-implies-a0
interpretation is only accurate if there's no explicit a0 release
(and was mostly just a matter of me thinking out loud, anyway).
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to fix minor release issues that don't
warrant a version number bump? As in, if I have a choice between
2.5, 2.5.post1 and 2.5.post2, isn't 2.5.post2 going to be the
one I want, rather than 2.5?
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Very cool, but would it be possible to expand the class name to
something like PackageIndex? Index is an overloaded word, and that
leading I is also a bit of a problem from a readability point of
view.
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1.3
Version: $Revision$
Last-Modified: $Date$
Author: Daniel Holth dho...@fastmail.fm,
Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io,
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com
Discussions-To: Distutils SIG
Status: Draft
Type: Standards Track
Content-Type: text/x-rst
Created: 30 Aug 2012
Abstract
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With Donald Stufft's assistance, I've created a new draft of PEP 426.
For the moment I'm listed as a co-author and no longer as
BDFL-Delegate - there's a separate discussion on python-dev about
that.
In addition
On 4 Feb 2013 00:30, Lele Gaifax l...@metapensiero.it wrote:
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com writes:
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Summary of Differences From \PEP 345
Spurious backslash?
Deliberate - it stops the automatic link generation in the PEP HTML
generator
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On Sunday, February 3, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Keywords (optional)
---
A list of additional whitespace separated keywords to be used to assist
searching for the distribution
case and title case
- other typo fixes
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==
PEP: 426
Title: Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.3
Version: $Revision$
Last-Modified: $Date$
Author: Daniel Holth dho...@fastmail.fm,
Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io,
Nick Coghlan ncogh
:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Nick Coghlan ncoghlan@g
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As usual, PEP inline below and on the web
at
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0426/
Version scheme
==
Version numbers must comply with the following
scheme::
N.N[.N]+[{a|b|c|rc}N][.postN
outcome of such an effort: people will simply stick
with v1.1 of the metadata scheme and continuing to use the existing
packaging tools, as migrating to the new ones would require a whole
lot pointless busywork to redesign their build processes and
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not install pre-releases, unless a user or developer specifically
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=2.6, =3.2, 4)
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to do hotfix releases while still
retaining a purely date-based scheme for the numeric component)
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On 12 Feb 2013 07:56, Alessandro Dentella san...@e-den.it wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 04:11:38PM -0500, PJ Eby wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Alessandro Dentella san...@e-den.it
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I believe that this issue belongs to this list, please let me know if
I'm
wrong.
, that would be via ./setup.py bdist_wheel,
but we want to get away from the setup.py format.
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On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Chris Jerdonek
chris.jerdo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Making
sure the necessary metadata for the build step is provided as part of
the sdist is the responsibility of the Archiver.
We don't
specific
builder is involved and make the appropriate direct invocation instead
of going through sdist2wheel.
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trusting the PSF cert, only allowing
downloads direct from PyPI) in order to keep it simple. For more
complex installation scenarios, pydist install pip would be a
necessary first step.
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On 13 Feb 2013 00:55, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
On 12 Feb, 2013, at 14:46, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
I still think it makes more sense to just download distribute and wheel
when you want to build one, but to each his own... if you need to create
packages for
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wrote:
The hook could be one or two new header fields in the PKG-INFO
file, with a PEP that describes those keys and how the builder is
invoked and what
it is
://docs.python.org/devguide/)? Are there other things to consider?
Yep, the main distutils docs are covered by CPython's regular dev processes.
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will be able to
detect the empty directory after the distribution is removed.
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installers don't handle it very well. However, Vinay's
idea would be a solid improvement on the status quo, even without
trying to solve that particular detail.
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hi.
In a project I'm working on, I use git, and I'm trying to follow the
versioning scheme used by the git project (since it is very
) to the standard
orderable scheme.
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Daniel submitted PEPs 425 and 427 to python-dev for acceptance, and I
have formally accepted 427 as BDFL delegate
(http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0427/).
There are still a couple of tweaks to be made
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Philippe Ombredanne
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The latest draft of PEP 426 is up at http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0426/
This is looking great!
License (optional
then consider that folder as a possible source for
distributions, in addition to already installed distributions and any
online indexes. Once installed, updates would work normally, helping
to avoid the security updates for bundled distributions are
difficult problem.
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help me address peoples concerns without
their eyes glazing over at the walls of text I tend to publish when
trying to explain complex topics over email.
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it's worth my taking the
time to give the PEP more context. Rolling out wheel support should be
enough to keep people busy for a while...
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On Feb 20, 2013 4:45 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 21 Feb 2013 02:12, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
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-1 The same arguments will just be repeated again.
I'm not so sure - at the moment, I'm
in a version specifier are an
error)
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Maintainer (optional)
-
A string containing the maintainer's name at a minimum; additional
contact information may
inspired:
Entry-Points: {
console_scripts: {
foo: my_package.some_module:main_func,
bar: other_module:some_func
},
gui_scripts: {
baz: my_package_gui.start_func
}
}
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correctly through the deployment process? Absolutely. Will the
standard library ever meaningfully interpret anything other than WHEEL
and the four files already named in PEP 376? Most likely not.
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getting the installation database to support
import hooks and also for potential metadata publication through TUF).
However, decomposing it for efficient runtime access and backwards
compatibility reasons makes sense.
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
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I'm probably the only one but I'm not a fan of JSON with all the extra
marks
than embedding the foo = entry-point-def
mini language that setuptools uses.
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We have a potential solution from node which is to allow limited globs in
version matches 1.0.*
On Feb 25, 2013 3:04 PM, Carl Meyer c...@oddbird.net wrote:
On 02/23/2013 08:08 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
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) are substantially different, though. Instead,
I'll reinstate a variant of the commentary from PEP 386 that pointed
out the value of always publishing releases with a consistent number
of components by including the trailing .0.
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On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
I *don't* like the idea of (== 1.3) and (== 1.3.0) being equivalent
when (1.3) and (1.3.0) are substantially different, though. Instead,
I'll reinstate
)
Wildcard version: some-dist (== X.Y.*) # Expects (= X.Y, X.Y+1.dev0)
Exact version: some-dist (== X.Y) # Expects X.Y, allows extra .0 suffixes
I can live with that.
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, and the language specific
package management tools are just a way to get the application code
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-install hook.
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whatever other tags they like, though (for example cp27_vc6).
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 February 2013 13:36, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013
know about it. Your suggestion
would indeed be more appropriately part of an installer-specific entry
point (but one made much easier by the standard including an algorithm
for conversion to structured metadata).
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Nice work on getting this published Vinay! Hopefully support for an
accepted PEP 426 can become a highlight of 0.2.0 :)
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to a newer version of your library?
Yes, we've become a lot more conservative with this even in the
standard library. Semantic versioning is a better approach in general.
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overly restrictive).
The distros just have a harder problem than most because the set of
packages they're trying to bring together is so large, they're bound
to run into many cases of packages that have mutually incompatible
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environments, *.pth files and
appropriate installation layouts. The only responsibility I see as
lying with the upstream library and application developers is to
accurately declare their dependencies (and to make them as broad as is
reasonable).
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Anyway, sounds like we have some ideas for parallel installs we can
investigate.
Yes, I'm definitely not opposed to the idea of parallel installs - I'm
just opposed to the idea of parallel install systems that rely on
changes to PyPI packages in order for them to work properly.
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
In thinking about how virtualenv
it, or
else I can talk to the Pulp team about getting those parts relicensed
under a more permissive license)
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On 10 Mar 2013 10:16, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Paul Moore p.f.moore at gmail.com writes:
Would it be worth considering splitting distlib into two separate
parts - one that is intended solely for writers of installers and
similar tools, and another for runtime support
On 11 Mar 2013 04:38, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
A few more clarifications to PEP 427 wheel.
+The ``b'#!pythonw'`` convention is allowed. ``b'#!pythonw'``
indicates
+a GUI script instead of a console script.
+
...
{ hash:
this happen, and also for
announcing it now for the sake of my sanity (and probably Jason's too)
at the packaging and distribution mini-summit on Friday night :)
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be a directory per major version.
The nice thing though is that Python wouldn't actually care about the
actual layout of the installed versions, so long as the *.pth files in
the dist-info directories described the mapping correctly.
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something comes up and I’ll be happy to clarify or research an answer.
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The meta-build hooks are definitely a topic for post-metadata-2.0 :)
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On Mar 18, 2013, at 04:13 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Eventually I expect pip will grow a --wheel-only option to run it in
strict installer only mode, but the ecosystem is a long way from
supporting that being a useful option
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explaining that wheel has two
major use cases, and that these two use cases correspond to pip
wheel (for caching your own local builds of an sdist) and ./setup.py
bdist_wheel upload for publication of pre-built binaries via PyPI.
Cheers,
Nick.
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On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
The second part has to do with a possible way to organise the
versioned installs: group them by the initial fragment of the version
number according to semantic versioning. For example, define a
versioned-packages
of the CI services. The way to do that would be to put together a
proposal for the board to consider, with a suggested budget and a
mechanism for projects to apply for funding.
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Nick.
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that don't even use
pkg_resources.
Cheers,
Nick.
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by stealing
things that are known to work from Node.js, Perl, Ruby, PHP, RPM, DEB,
etc.
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Nick.
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it, then I'll write to BitBucket support to see if the account is
actually being used for anything, and if not, if there's a way to
request control over it. Failing that, I'll settle for a
similar-but-different name, but pypa is definitely my preferred
option.
Regards,
Nick.
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. Assuming we
go this way, distros will presumably install system Python packages
into the versioned layout and then symlink them appropriately from the
available by default layout in site-packages.
Cheers,
Nick.
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