Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement
Thanks fro this. Soren - Diversity statements are important for diversity and inclusion within global spaces. To me this is one of the big priorities that OSM has to address in order to flourish as a global map network and community. To be honest, I am happy to have a phone call with you and Rory if you have more questions about 'why.' Heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:33 PM Rory McCann wrote: > Yes the diversity statement has been beneficial. Plenty of people from > marginalized groups have experienced lots of bad things, so one cannot > assume that everyone agrees > > On 23 April 2020 20:41:05 CEST, "Sören Reinecke via Diversity-talk" < > diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> >> Hey, >> >> is a Diversity Statement really necessary? I mean we are people who want >> diversity and we know that diversity is important for society's survival. >> >> Cheers >> >> Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram >> >> >> Original Message >> Subject: Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement >> From: Rory McCann >> To: Adam Hoyle ,diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org >> CC: >> >> >> Hi Adam, >> >> Thanks for the feedback from OSMUK. >> >> The 2nd line of the Diversity Statement says: >> >> > We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a >> diverse OpenStreetMap community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse >> community where people treat each other with respect has more potential >> contributors and more sources for ideas, and will create a better map. >> >> Which could be read as a “why”. Personally, I view combating >> racism/sexism/bigotry as a moral imperative. Also some OSM groups around >> the world have welcomed the statement. >> >> Just FYI there is no Diversity Working Group, but instead a Special >> Committee. Working Groups are semi-permanent. This mailing list is for >> general interest in OSM & diversity and isn't specifically for the >> Diveristy & Inclusivity Special Committeee (DISCo!) >> >> (Although I am on this list and on the DISCo) >> >> On 19.04.20 22:38, Adam Hoyle wrote: >> > Hi Diversity Working Group, >> > >> > I'm writing on behalf of the UK Local Chapter (OSMUK). Regarding the >> OSM >> > Foundation Diversity Statement, we asked our members whether they >> > supported the statement and to provide any anonymous feedback which we >> > could pass on to the working group. >> > >> > The result was a broad level of support, with a few points, which I am >> > passing to you here: >> > >> > I don't personally understand the problems yet and would love to >> > find out, and increase the size and breadth of the community. >> > >> > >> > I support this as it is, on the basis that any pro-diversity >> > statement is better than none, but I think it's missing some >> > important points. It says that OSM wants a more diverse community >> > but not why! And it also fails to say clearly that diversity is >> > good, and that discrimination is also bad. >> > I would suggest, for example, adding a new sentence between the >> > second and third sentences like "We believe that the greater the >> > diversity in our community, the better OpenStreetMap will be.” >> > >> > >> > It's a sad comment on life today that this is even necessary. Also >> > a policy statement is merely a set of fine words which will remain >> > empty without an action plan and without an enforcement procedure. >> > >> > >> > I also agree with the comment about adding a sentence explaining why. >> > >> > >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Adam >> > >> > ___ >> > Diversity-talk mailing list >> > Code of Conduct: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct >> > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org >> > >> >> ___ >> Diversity-talk mailing list >> Code of Conduct: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct >> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org >> >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > ___ > Diversity-talk mailing list > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement
Yes the diversity statement has been beneficial. Plenty of people from marginalized groups have experienced lots of bad things, so one cannot assume that everyone agrees On 23 April 2020 20:41:05 CEST, "Sören Reinecke via Diversity-talk" wrote: >___ >Diversity-talk mailing list >Code of Conduct: >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct >Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement
Hey,is a Diversity Statement really necessary? I mean we are people who want diversity and we know that diversity is important for society's survival.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity StatementFrom: Rory McCann To: Adam Hoyle ,diversity-talk@openstreetmap.orgCC: Hi Adam,Thanks for the feedback from OSMUK.The 2nd line of the Diversity Statement says:> We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a diverse OpenStreetMap community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse community where people treat each other with respect has more potential contributors and more sources for ideas, and will create a better map. Which could be read as a “why”. Personally, I view combating racism/sexism/bigotry as a moral imperative. Also some OSM groups around the world have welcomed the statement.Just FYI there is no Diversity Working Group, but instead a Special Committee. Working Groups are semi-permanent. This mailing list is for general interest in OSM & diversity and isn't specifically for the Diveristy & Inclusivity Special Committeee (DISCo!)(Although I am on this list and on the DISCo)On 19.04.20 22:38, Adam Hoyle wrote:> Hi Diversity Working Group,> > I'm writing on behalf of the UK Local Chapter (OSMUK). Regarding the OSM > Foundation Diversity Statement, we asked our members whether they > supported the statement and to provide any anonymous feedback which we > could pass on to the working group.> > The result was a broad level of support, with a few points, which I am > passing to you here:> > I don't personally understand the problems yet and would love to> find out, and increase the size and breadth of the community.> > > I support this as it is, on the basis that any pro-diversity> statement is better than none, but I think it's missing some> important points. It says that OSM wants a more diverse community> but not why! And it also fails to say clearly that diversity is> good, and that discrimination is also bad.> I would suggest, for example, adding a new sentence between the> second and third sentences like "We believe that the greater the> diversity in our community, the better OpenStreetMap will be.”> > > It's a sad comment on life today that this is even necessary. Also> a policy statement is merely a set of fine words which will remain> empty without an action plan and without an enforcement procedure.> > > I also agree with the comment about adding a sentence explaining why.> > > > Best,> > Adam> > ___> Diversity-talk mailing list> Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org> ___Diversity-talk mailing listCode of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConductContact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement
Hi Adam, Thanks for the feedback from OSMUK. The 2nd line of the Diversity Statement says: We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a diverse OpenStreetMap community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse community where people treat each other with respect has more potential contributors and more sources for ideas, and will create a better map. Which could be read as a “why”. Personally, I view combating racism/sexism/bigotry as a moral imperative. Also some OSM groups around the world have welcomed the statement. Just FYI there is no Diversity Working Group, but instead a Special Committee. Working Groups are semi-permanent. This mailing list is for general interest in OSM & diversity and isn't specifically for the Diveristy & Inclusivity Special Committeee (DISCo!) (Although I am on this list and on the DISCo) On 19.04.20 22:38, Adam Hoyle wrote: Hi Diversity Working Group, I'm writing on behalf of the UK Local Chapter (OSMUK). Regarding the OSM Foundation Diversity Statement, we asked our members whether they supported the statement and to provide any anonymous feedback which we could pass on to the working group. The result was a broad level of support, with a few points, which I am passing to you here: I don't personally understand the problems yet and would love to find out, and increase the size and breadth of the community. I support this as it is, on the basis that any pro-diversity statement is better than none, but I think it's missing some important points. It says that OSM wants a more diverse community but not why! And it also fails to say clearly that diversity is good, and that discrimination is also bad. I would suggest, for example, adding a new sentence between the second and third sentences like "We believe that the greater the diversity in our community, the better OpenStreetMap will be.” It's a sad comment on life today that this is even necessary. Also a policy statement is merely a set of fine words which will remain empty without an action plan and without an enforcement procedure. I also agree with the comment about adding a sentence explaining why. Best, Adam ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
[Diversity-talk] UK Chapter Feedback on Diversity Statement
Hi Diversity Working Group, I'm writing on behalf of the UK Local Chapter (OSMUK). Regarding the OSM Foundation Diversity Statement, we asked our members whether they supported the statement and to provide any anonymous feedback which we could pass on to the working group. The result was a broad level of support, with a few points, which I am passing to you here: > I don't personally understand the problems yet and would love to find out, > and increase the size and breadth of the community. > I support this as it is, on the basis that any pro-diversity statement is > better than none, but I think it's missing some important points. It says > that OSM wants a more diverse community but not why! And it also fails to say > clearly that diversity is good, and that discrimination is also bad. > I would suggest, for example, adding a new sentence between the second and > third sentences like "We believe that the greater the diversity in our > community, the better OpenStreetMap will be.” > It's a sad comment on life today that this is even necessary. Also a policy > statement is merely a set of fine words which will remain empty without an > action plan and without an enforcement procedure. > I also agree with the comment about adding a sentence explaining why. Best, Adam ___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
