Re: Supporting and using EOL'd software (was Re: Time to drop support for Oracle < 11?)

2014-06-14 Thread Alex Gaynor
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee < russ...@keith-magee.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Shai Berger wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> TL;DR -- ...sorry, there's no TL;DR here. It's a bunch of separate ideas. >> It's >> a little lengthy. Please bear

Supporting and using EOL'd software (was Re: Time to drop support for Oracle < 11?)

2014-06-14 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Shai Berger > wrote: > Hi guys, > > TL;DR -- ...sorry, there's no TL;DR here. It's a bunch of separate ideas. > It's > a little lengthy. Please bear with me. > > I'd like to compare our support

Re: Time to drop support for Oracle < 11?

2014-06-14 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Aymeric Augustin < aymeric.augus...@polytechnique.org> wrote: > On 14 juin 2014, at 14:40, Tim Graham wrote: > > > My general proposal (for all databases) would be to drop support for a > database version in the Django release that follows

Supporting and using EOL'd software (was Re: Time to drop support for Oracle < 11?)

2014-06-14 Thread Shai Berger
Hi guys, TL;DR -- ...sorry, there's no TL;DR here. It's a bunch of separate ideas. It's a little lengthy. Please bear with me. I'd like to compare our support for old database servers with our support for old browsers. We only recently dropped code that supported IE 6/7 (!) for a security (!)

Re: Proposal: variable argument lists for templatetags, in templates.

2014-06-14 Thread Przemek Czerkas
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:14:21 AM UTC+2, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > > > Hi Przemek, > > I'm not entirely certain I understand what you're proposing here. > simple_tag, inclusion_tag and assignment_tag are all utility classes that > you use to produce template tags; however, all the

Re: Time to drop support for Oracle < 11?

2014-06-14 Thread Marc Tamlyn
Not much to add, just that I agree with Tim and Aymeric. We cannot and should not claim to support database versions which are no longer supported by their authors and do not receive security updates. That's not to say we should actively break support for old databases if they happen to work, but

Re: Time to drop support for Oracle < 11?

2014-06-14 Thread Aymeric Augustin
On 14 juin 2014, at 14:40, Tim Graham wrote: > My general proposal (for all databases) would be to drop support for a > database version in the Django release that follows its end-of-life date. That's also my position. It applies to all dependencies of Django, even

Re: Time to drop support for Oracle < 11?

2014-06-14 Thread Tim Graham
It seems to weird to claim (even best-effort/community) support for a database that is no longer supported by its authors. Also, you can always use an older version of Django, right? I tend to think you're probably not interested in the latest and greatest Django if you're using a really old