Re: Model-level validation

2022-10-01 Thread Aaron Smith
David - All of your points are accurate. A usable ORM will probably never be perfectly safe, and none of the Django workarounds are particularly difficult. But requiring extra steps to get the save level of data safety as other ORMs will, just by nature of human nature and scale, make Django a

Re: Model-level validation

2022-10-01 Thread Aaron Smith
I'm glad you brought up tests, because automated tests for these issues are quite difficult and require tribal knowledge. A first-hand example from a while back: The application had over 90% test coverage, including all of the validation rules in the DRF serializer. One of those rules was that

Re: Model-level validation

2022-10-01 Thread David Sanders
I'm not really interested in debating whether the ORM validates or not but I thought it might be worth pointing out a few things that haven't been touched on yet: > It's not right. Design decisions are often neither outright right nor wrong but more tradeoffs of varying values. > The data store

Re: Model-level validation

2022-10-01 Thread Tim Graham
> Among the dozen of Django applications I have worked on, at 3 companies, not a single one was actually running any kind of validation. It has always been a mistake, 100% of the time, *never* the desired behavior. Besides not taking time to understand how Django works, it seems they weren't