Re: Can we move the activity on this list to the Forum now?
Hi all, I find that the signal-to-noise ratio on this mailing list is (by my determination) quite bad around this time of year. Is a move to the forum still on the cards? Kye On 6 Dec 2022 at 7:16 AM +0800, Andrew Godwin , wrote: > I did some investigation of moving django-users and django-developers to the > Forum right after DjangoCon; I wanted to see if we could import all the old > posts too, which we probably could, but I'm not entirely sure of the utility > of that. > > I will say that the forum is a lot easier to moderate - the ability to > moderate after a post has gone out, rather than gating all posts behind > approval if they're untrusted, is a big step in itself, not to mention the > ability to remove sensitive or offensive content once it's posted. > > Andrew > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 10:01:17 PM UTC-7 m...@kye.id.au wrote: > > > IMO django-announce and django-updates serve a very different purpose and > > > I would be against moving them if it were suggested. > > > > > > I am incredibly strongly in favour of moving django-developers and > > > django-users to the forums. IMO being able to more easily trap people > > > misusing this list as a tech support channel is itself reason enough to > > > move. Beyond that, I’d argue that the plentiful UX issues with Google > > > Groups, and mailing lists in general, certainly don’t do the community > > > any favours in terms of getting more people on board. > > > > > > Kye > > > On 28 Nov 2022 at 11:40 PM +0800, 'Tobias McNulty' via Django developers > > > (Contributions to Django itself) , wrote: > > > > As someone who only just joined the forum -- I'm +1: > > > > > > > > • The forum has seen great adoption from what I can tell (nearly half > > > > the number of posts as django-developers during the same time period, > > > > not bad given the mailing list's head start in subscribers). > > > > • It seems beneficial to house future conversations in a single place, > > > > e.g., so members don't need to subscribe to both the mailing list and > > > > forum to get the full picture of current active development, set up two > > > > different sets of mail filters to tag things appropriately, etc... > > > > > > > > Would the plan be to switch django-users as well? I think similar > > > > arguments could be made for consolidating those... > > > > > > > > (On the other hand, I see little value in switching django-announce and > > > > django-updates, but I'm not necessarily opposed to it either, > > > > especially if there's a way to import the subscribers to those lists...) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Tobias McNulty > > > > Chief Executive Officer > > > > tob...@caktusgroup.com > > > > www.caktusgroup.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:05 AM Carlton Gibson > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey Roger, > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed it does. You can set up Email Mode (that may not be the > > > > > > actual name) and it’ll work just like a mailing list. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also subscribe to just a particular category, so the > > > > > > Internals one would map to the discussion on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, 28 November 2022, Roger Gammans > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't speak for others, but I personally STRONGLY value the > > > > > > > fact that this discussion happens in my inbox, not on yet another > > > > > > > website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But perhaps the forum still supports this reading mode? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 05:38 -0800, Carlton Gibson wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the issues with Tom's access to the mailing list here, > > > > > > > > and the fact that the Forum has been active for a few years > > > > > > > > now, and is a great success, I'd like to revisit whether we can > > > > > > > > move on-mass (all few of us :) over there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We'd enjoy the benefits of a much nicer system. We'd not have > > > > > > > > issues such as the current, and we'd be one less item in the > > > > > > > > pocket of a mega-corp. (You can rank those as you will :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Initially when this can up (a long time ago) Andrew and Tom > > > > > > > > discussed whether we could import the history here into the > > > > > > > > forum. I think that's unnecessary. We can still access the > > > > > > > > history here (until such a day as Google takes it away) at > > > > > > > > worst -- but, rather, if we can get an archive we could import > > > > > > > > it into read-only Datasette instance[0] — and that would likely > > > > > > > > be good enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we move now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [0]: I'd happily
Re: Can we move the activity on this list to the Forum now?
IMO django-announce and django-updates serve a very different purpose and I would be against moving them if it were suggested. I am incredibly strongly in favour of moving django-developers and django-users to the forums. IMO being able to more easily trap people misusing this list as a tech support channel is itself reason enough to move. Beyond that, I’d argue that the plentiful UX issues with Google Groups, and mailing lists in general, certainly don’t do the community any favours in terms of getting more people on board. Kye On 28 Nov 2022 at 11:40 PM +0800, 'Tobias McNulty' via Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) , wrote: > As someone who only just joined the forum -- I'm +1: > > • The forum has seen great adoption from what I can tell (nearly half the > number of posts as django-developers during the same time period, not bad > given the mailing list's head start in subscribers). > • It seems beneficial to house future conversations in a single place, e.g., > so members don't need to subscribe to both the mailing list and forum to get > the full picture of current active development, set up two different sets of > mail filters to tag things appropriately, etc... > > Would the plan be to switch django-users as well? I think similar arguments > could be made for consolidating those... > > (On the other hand, I see little value in switching django-announce and > django-updates, but I'm not necessarily opposed to it either, especially if > there's a way to import the subscribers to those lists...) > > Cheers, > > Tobias McNulty > Chief Executive Officer > tob...@caktusgroup.com > www.caktusgroup.com > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:05 AM Carlton Gibson > > wrote: > > > Hey Roger, > > > > > > Indeed it does. You can set up Email Mode (that may not be the actual > > > name) and it’ll work just like a mailing list. > > > > > > You can also subscribe to just a particular category, so the Internals > > > one would map to the discussion on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, 28 November 2022, Roger Gammans > > > wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I can't speak for others, but I personally STRONGLY value the fact that > > > > this discussion happens in my inbox, not on yet another website. > > > > > > > > But perhaps the forum still supports this reading mode? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 05:38 -0800, Carlton Gibson wrote: > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > > > > > Given the issues with Tom's access to the mailing list here, and the > > > > > fact that the Forum has been active for a few years now, and is a > > > > > great success, I'd like to revisit whether we can move on-mass (all > > > > > few of us :) over there? > > > > > > > > > > We'd enjoy the benefits of a much nicer system. We'd not have issues > > > > > such as the current, and we'd be one less item in the pocket of a > > > > > mega-corp. (You can rank those as you will :) > > > > > > > > > > Initially when this can up (a long time ago) Andrew and Tom discussed > > > > > whether we could import the history here into the forum. I think > > > > > that's unnecessary. We can still access the history here (until such > > > > > a day as Google takes it away) at worst -- but, rather, if we can get > > > > > an archive we could import it into read-only Datasette instance[0] — > > > > > and that would likely be good enough. > > > > > > > > > > Can we move now? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Carlton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [0]: I'd happily do this. > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > > > > send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/101f4e6d-9b83-47ab-bb1b-b571402e037dn%40googlegroups.com. > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > > > an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/4a329eadd5606c2f94aa5638e079800f1914d0d7.camel%40gammascience.co.uk. > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > > email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > >
