Hi Berker,

I just wanted to highlight my comment on the PR here for the benefit of 
those discussing this:

    https://github.com/django/django/pull/7153#issuecomment-242672721

We currently horribly abuse the existing permission system to add 
additional global permissions in a hacky way by manually adding content 
types. (https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/24754 would be awesome) 

My scenario is simply having an easy method to find users *and* groups with 
a particular permission or set of permissions. Doing so is rather clunky at 
the moment.
I also feel that any solution should have the ability to optionally 
include/exclude by is_superuser and is_active flags - we often want to know 
who has a permission whether implicit or explicit.

Thanks,

Nick

On Wednesday, 14 September 2016 05:10:41 UTC+1, Berker Peksag wrote:
>
> https://github.com/django/django/pull/7153/ implements 
> UserManager.with_perm() [1] as: 
>
>     def with_perm(self, perm): 
>         for backend in auth.get_backends(): 
>             if hasattr(backend, 'with_perm'): 
>                 return backend.with_perm(perm) 
>         return self.get_queryset().none() 
>
> [1] "Shortcut to get users by permission": 
> https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/18763 
>
> With this implementation, users of UserManager.with_perm() won't get 
> users with permissions for all backends. Also, result of 
> UserManager.with_perm() will depend on the order of 
> settings.AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS. See also 
> https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/18763#comment:9 for more 
> information about the current strategy. 
>
> I suggested an alternative approach at 
> https://github.com/django/django/pull/7153/files#r78226234 with the 
> following implementation: 
>
>     def with_perm(self, perm, backend=None): 
>         if backend is None: 
>             backends = _get_backends(return_tuples=True) 
>             if len(backends) != 1: 
>                 raise ValueError( 
>                     'You have multiple authentication backends configured 
> and ' 
>                     'therefore must provide the `backend` argument.' 
>                 ) 
>             _, backend = backends[0] 
>             if hasattr(backend, 'with_perm'): 
>                 return backend.with_perm(perm) 
>         else: 
>             backend = load_backend(backend) 
>             if hasattr(backend, 'with_perm'): 
>                 return backend.with_perm(perm) 
>         return self.get_queryset().none() 
>
> This also simulates what django.contrib.auth.login() does when 
> multiple authentication backends are defined: 
>
>
> https://github.com/django/django/blob/18c72d59e0807dae75ac2c34890d08c1e0972d0a/django/contrib/auth/__init__.py#L100
>  
>
> Tim suggested to get some feedback about possible use cases: 
>
> "I'm not sure about the use cases. For example, someone might want to 
> get users with permissions for all backends. It would be nice if we 
> had some feedback about what users are implementing on their own to 
> confirm we're targeting the largest use case." 
>
> Is there any other possible use cases? Which one of the suggested 
> approaches cover the largest use case? 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> --Berker 
>

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