Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Jani Tiainen]

Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Jani Tiainen  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
>  > Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just
>  > making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move
>  > beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this
> and it
>  > definitely looks like it has potential.
> 
> I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top
> of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.
> 
> I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make widgets
> is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to
> achieve same thing.
> 
> Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.
> 
> 
> Do you use the Admin app at all? Or are your sites all just custom views?  

I use admin app for administrative tasks, mainly setting different 
dynamic configs and to lookup data but it's meant for people "who knows 
what they are doing" since it's possible to break things by using admin 
interface.

Most of the program consists single page that dynamically loads 
templates, JSON and invokes JSON-RPC calls.

I've developed my own set of "RPC Forms" that works better in RPC 
concept and also they provide some my application domain spesific 
features like automated query construction (same form is used for CRUD 
operations)

Main reasons was that we needed "nice" UI widgets (containers, tabs, 
floating windows, buttons, tools, dropdowns and all that "desktop like" 
features), liberal licence and somewhat solid, mature product.

Another real option was ExtJS.


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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Mike Dewhirst]

I have heard nice things about Mochikit. I had a look at it a long time 
ago and fully intended to get involved but haven't had the opportunity 
yet ...

http://www.mochikit.com/about.html



esatterwh...@wi.rr.com wrote:
> I use mootools a lot. When I was deciding which on to use, I first
> looked at How big is the library ( how long is it going to take me to
> learn ), how complex, does it do what I want/need. Does it fit the way
> I think, does it make sense with python/django.
> 
> Mootools, to me was a pretty good fit. The descriptor of mootools
> was,'It's not about cows or milk! It stands for My Object Orientated
> Tools"
> 
> The best thing about mootools is the Class implementation. It really
> turns a muddy scripting language into a more OO lang like python. You
> can create new classes & objects which can inherit from each other,
> etc. Going from python to mootools is easy as you don't have such a
> big shift in gears.
> 
> There is also project that can convert your python code directly to
> mootools javascript.
> http://code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/wiki/PythonToJavaScriptTranslator
> 
> Also, while a topic of much debate, one of mootools strengths and
> consequently it's weakness is that it extends some of the naitive
> objects in javascript.  This makes coding faster and easier. However,
> the down side is that it doesn't really play well with some other
> javascript libraries. Personal experience has pointed out jquery and
> the 2.X versions of the YUI ( at least with out some patching ).
> But it has a host of built in methods for working with Javascripts
> native objects that just make life easier.
> 
> I would really miss the Classes and ease/speed at which you can create
> applications.
> 
> As of late Mootools has been under a pretty big surge in development.
> in the last 5-6 months it has gone from 1.2 to 1.2.4.1 and is on the
> verge of 2.0, so their has been a little frustration with backward
> compatibility and change in some syntax. But they have all previous
> versions on github making it pretty easy to stick with 1 version.
> 
> Obviously a little biased, but that's my 2 cents.
> 
> On Sep 28, 8:37 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
>> MooTools does look interesting. What would you miss most about it, if you
>> had to develop without it?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM, justind  wrote:
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>> Take a look at MooTools. It's a great library with a great API. It's
>>> been said that JQuery makes the DOM fun, but MooTools makes Javascript
>>> fun.
>>> On Sep 28, 4:37 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Jani Tiainen  wrote:
> Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
>> Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just
>> making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move
>> beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this and
>>> it
>> definitely looks like it has potential.
> I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top
> of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.
> I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make
>>> widgets
> is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to
> achieve same thing.
> Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.
 Do you use the Admin app at all? Or are your sites all just custom views?
> > 
> 
> 


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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Greg Fuller]

In addition to mochaui,there's jxlib for mootools: http://jxlib.org/.


On Sep 29, 3:12 am, Sid  wrote:
> You might wanna check out -http://mochaui.com/demo/if you're
> planning to use MooTools.
> Although i haven't used it yet, but it looks awesome and i haven't
> found a  UI framework for jQuery that cohesive.
>
> On Sep 28, 6:37 pm, Joshua Russo  wrote:
>
> > MooTools does look interesting. What would you miss most about it, if you
> > had to develop without it?
>
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM, justind  wrote:
>
> > > Joshua,
>
> > > Take a look at MooTools. It's a great library with a great API. It's
> > > been said that JQuery makes the DOM fun, but MooTools makes Javascript
> > > fun.
>
> > > On Sep 28, 4:37 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Jani Tiainen  wrote:
>
> > > > > Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
> > > > > > Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks 
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move
> > > > > > beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this and
> > > it
> > > > > > definitely looks like it has potential.
>
> > > > > I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top
> > > > > of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.
>
> > > > > I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make
> > > widgets
> > > > > is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to
> > > > > achieve same thing.
>
> > > > > Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.
>
> > > > Do you use the Admin app at all? Or are your sites all just custom 
> > > > views?
>
>
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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[esatterwh...@wi.rr.com]

I use mootools a lot. When I was deciding which on to use, I first
looked at How big is the library ( how long is it going to take me to
learn ), how complex, does it do what I want/need. Does it fit the way
I think, does it make sense with python/django.

Mootools, to me was a pretty good fit. The descriptor of mootools
was,'It's not about cows or milk! It stands for My Object Orientated
Tools"

The best thing about mootools is the Class implementation. It really
turns a muddy scripting language into a more OO lang like python. You
can create new classes & objects which can inherit from each other,
etc. Going from python to mootools is easy as you don't have such a
big shift in gears.

There is also project that can convert your python code directly to
mootools javascript.
http://code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/wiki/PythonToJavaScriptTranslator

Also, while a topic of much debate, one of mootools strengths and
consequently it's weakness is that it extends some of the naitive
objects in javascript.  This makes coding faster and easier. However,
the down side is that it doesn't really play well with some other
javascript libraries. Personal experience has pointed out jquery and
the 2.X versions of the YUI ( at least with out some patching ).
But it has a host of built in methods for working with Javascripts
native objects that just make life easier.

I would really miss the Classes and ease/speed at which you can create
applications.

As of late Mootools has been under a pretty big surge in development.
in the last 5-6 months it has gone from 1.2 to 1.2.4.1 and is on the
verge of 2.0, so their has been a little frustration with backward
compatibility and change in some syntax. But they have all previous
versions on github making it pretty easy to stick with 1 version.

Obviously a little biased, but that's my 2 cents.

On Sep 28, 8:37 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> MooTools does look interesting. What would you miss most about it, if you
> had to develop without it?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM, justind  wrote:
>
> > Joshua,
>
> > Take a look at MooTools. It's a great library with a great API. It's
> > been said that JQuery makes the DOM fun, but MooTools makes Javascript
> > fun.
>
> > On Sep 28, 4:37 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Jani Tiainen  wrote:
>
> > > > Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
> > > > > Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just
> > > > > making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move
> > > > > beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this and
> > it
> > > > > definitely looks like it has potential.
>
> > > > I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top
> > > > of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.
>
> > > > I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make
> > widgets
> > > > is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to
> > > > achieve same thing.
>
> > > > Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.
>
> > > Do you use the Admin app at all? Or are your sites all just custom views?
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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Sid]

You might wanna check out - http://mochaui.com/demo/ if you're
planning to use MooTools.
Although i haven't used it yet, but it looks awesome and i haven't
found a  UI framework for jQuery that cohesive.


On Sep 28, 6:37 pm, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> MooTools does look interesting. What would you miss most about it, if you
> had to develop without it?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM, justind  wrote:
>
> > Joshua,
>
> > Take a look at MooTools. It's a great library with a great API. It's
> > been said that JQuery makes the DOM fun, but MooTools makes Javascript
> > fun.
>
> > On Sep 28, 4:37 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Jani Tiainen  wrote:
>
> > > > Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
> > > > > Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just
> > > > > making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move
> > > > > beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this and
> > it
> > > > > definitely looks like it has potential.
>
> > > > I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top
> > > > of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.
>
> > > > I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make
> > widgets
> > > > is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to
> > > > achieve same thing.
>
> > > > Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.
>
> > > Do you use the Admin app at all? Or are your sites all just custom views?
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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Joshua Russo]

MooTools does look interesting. What would you miss most about it, if you
had to develop without it?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM, justind  wrote:

>
> Joshua,
>
> Take a look at MooTools. It's a great library with a great API. It's
> been said that JQuery makes the DOM fun, but MooTools makes Javascript
> fun.
>
> On Sep 28, 4:37 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Jani Tiainen  wrote:
> >
> > > Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
> > > > Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just
> > > > making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move
> > > > beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this and
> it
> > > > definitely looks like it has potential.
> >
> > > I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top
> > > of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.
> >
> > > I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make
> widgets
> > > is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to
> > > achieve same thing.
> >
> > > Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.
> >
> > Do you use the Admin app at all? Or are your sites all just custom views?
> >
>

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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[justind]

Joshua,

Take a look at MooTools. It's a great library with a great API. It's
been said that JQuery makes the DOM fun, but MooTools makes Javascript
fun.

On Sep 28, 4:37 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Jani Tiainen  wrote:
>
> > Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
> > > Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just
> > > making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move
> > > beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this and it
> > > definitely looks like it has potential.
>
> > I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top
> > of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.
>
> > I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make widgets
> > is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to
> > achieve same thing.
>
> > Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.
>
> Do you use the Admin app at all? Or are your sites all just custom views?
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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Joshua Russo]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Jani Tiainen  wrote:

>
> Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
> > Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just
> > making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move
> > beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this and it
> > definitely looks like it has potential.
>
> I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top
> of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.
>
> I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make widgets
> is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to
> achieve same thing.
>
> Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.


Do you use the Admin app at all? Or are your sites all just custom views?

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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Jani Tiainen]

Joshua Russo kirjoitti:
> Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just 
> making JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move 
> beyond that. I just started looking at Dojo before posting this and it 
> definitely looks like it has potential.

I'm pretty "heavy" user of Dojo. My project is completely built on top 
of Django/Dojo using JSON-RPC to do talk with Django part.

I'm pretty happy how it works, specially declarative way to make widgets 
is pretty cool comparing to other that usually require JS markup to 
achieve same thing.

Dojango is pretty nice. I just don't use (model)forms all.

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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Joshua Russo]

Great links guys, thanks. I'm still in the mindset of frameworks just making
JavaScript less painful too and I'm looking for ways to move beyond that. I
just started looking at Dojo before posting this and it definitely looks
like it has potential.

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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Brian McKeever]

Dojango seems really helpful. Thanks.

On Sep 23, 8:40 pm, Ovnicraft  wrote:
> 2009/9/23 Brian McKeever 
>
>
>
> > I just decided to learn to use dojo yesterday.
> > I chose it because it has a huge library of GUI widgets that are all
> > suppose to be accessible to people with disabilities.
>
> for dojo you also get http://
> code.google.com/p/
> *dojan go 
>
> *
>
>
>
>
>
> > I found this:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_JavaScript_frameworks
> > quite helpful.
>
> > What I didn't know until recently were that there were mostly full
> > fledged javascript GUI toolkits. I thought they all just made
> > javascript less painful and added small flashy effects. (I'm a
> > javascript noob)
>
> > On Sep 23, 3:13 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> > > I've been happily using JQuery for a while and was wondering why people
> > use
> > > the frameworks that they do. I want to see how other's get flexibility
> > and
> > > efficiency (cool widgets and good response time) out of JavaScript.
> > > For example: The current project I'm working on I've created a visual
> > > display of a timeline using CSS and transparent PNGs and use it allow
> > users
> > > to visually manipulate date ranges. I ended up creating a custom
> > JavaScript
> > > object to represent each value/date range to centralize manipulation
> > logic,
> > > initialized on page load from data provided in page creation. The objects
> > > generally end up being just a bunch of references to the objects on the
> > page
> > > to be manipulated, in addition to the logic. I use JQuery to create each
> > > reference and then thus also for the manipulations themselves.
>
> > > This is usually the extent of my use of JQuery and I'm wondering if I'm
> > > missing something in other frameworks that may make my life easier in
> > tasks
> > > like this.
>
> > > Thanks for your insights.
> > > Josh
>
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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Ovnicraft]

2009/9/23 Brian McKeever 

>
> I just decided to learn to use dojo yesterday.
> I chose it because it has a huge library of GUI widgets that are all
> suppose to be accessible to people with disabilities.
>


for dojo you also get http://
code.google.com/p/
*dojan go 

*

>
> I found this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_JavaScript_frameworks
> quite helpful.
>
> What I didn't know until recently were that there were mostly full
> fledged javascript GUI toolkits. I thought they all just made
> javascript less painful and added small flashy effects. (I'm a
> javascript noob)
>
> On Sep 23, 3:13 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> > I've been happily using JQuery for a while and was wondering why people
> use
> > the frameworks that they do. I want to see how other's get flexibility
> and
> > efficiency (cool widgets and good response time) out of JavaScript.
> > For example: The current project I'm working on I've created a visual
> > display of a timeline using CSS and transparent PNGs and use it allow
> users
> > to visually manipulate date ranges. I ended up creating a custom
> JavaScript
> > object to represent each value/date range to centralize manipulation
> logic,
> > initialized on page load from data provided in page creation. The objects
> > generally end up being just a bunch of references to the objects on the
> page
> > to be manipulated, in addition to the logic. I use JQuery to create each
> > reference and then thus also for the manipulations themselves.
> >
> > This is usually the extent of my use of JQuery and I'm wondering if I'm
> > missing something in other frameworks that may make my life easier in
> tasks
> > like this.
> >
> > Thanks for your insights.
> > Josh
> >
>


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Re: What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Brian McKeever]

I just decided to learn to use dojo yesterday.
I chose it because it has a huge library of GUI widgets that are all
suppose to be accessible to people with disabilities.

I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_JavaScript_frameworks
quite helpful.

What I didn't know until recently were that there were mostly full
fledged javascript GUI toolkits. I thought they all just made
javascript less painful and added small flashy effects. (I'm a
javascript noob)

On Sep 23, 3:13 am, Joshua Russo  wrote:
> I've been happily using JQuery for a while and was wondering why people use
> the frameworks that they do. I want to see how other's get flexibility and
> efficiency (cool widgets and good response time) out of JavaScript.
> For example: The current project I'm working on I've created a visual
> display of a timeline using CSS and transparent PNGs and use it allow users
> to visually manipulate date ranges. I ended up creating a custom JavaScript
> object to represent each value/date range to centralize manipulation logic,
> initialized on page load from data provided in page creation. The objects
> generally end up being just a bunch of references to the objects on the page
> to be manipulated, in addition to the logic. I use JQuery to create each
> reference and then thus also for the manipulations themselves.
>
> This is usually the extent of my use of JQuery and I'm wondering if I'm
> missing something in other frameworks that may make my life easier in tasks
> like this.
>
> Thanks for your insights.
> Josh
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What JavaScript framework do you use and why?

[Joshua Russo]

I've been happily using JQuery for a while and was wondering why people use
the frameworks that they do. I want to see how other's get flexibility and
efficiency (cool widgets and good response time) out of JavaScript.
For example: The current project I'm working on I've created a visual
display of a timeline using CSS and transparent PNGs and use it allow users
to visually manipulate date ranges. I ended up creating a custom JavaScript
object to represent each value/date range to centralize manipulation logic,
initialized on page load from data provided in page creation. The objects
generally end up being just a bunch of references to the objects on the page
to be manipulated, in addition to the logic. I use JQuery to create each
reference and then thus also for the manipulations themselves.

This is usually the extent of my use of JQuery and I'm wondering if I'm
missing something in other frameworks that may make my life easier in tasks
like this.

Thanks for your insights.
Josh

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