Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[caio]

Hello,

Give a try to ninja-ide: http://ninja-ide.org/
It has many plugins, including for django

Regards.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Adam Stein  wrote:

>  On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 14:30 -0700, John Schmitt wrote:
>
> I appreciate what you said about deploying and not editing "live" files 
> directly.
>
>  Hope the information is of use to you.
>
>  However, I have several projects in various stages of development and when I 
> first start a project, I don't have anything to deploy, I edit everything 
> "live".  When it's in production and users are counting on it being up, then 
> I would rather not touch the running machine.
>
>  I do the exact opposite.  When I first start out, all I have is my
> development environment.  Once I have "enough" of a project for others to
> use, then I start deploying.
>
>
> When I'm creating a dummy project to test my apache configuration and/or my 
> management commands, or trying to assemble a complicated query, I do it 
> "live" on the VM on which I created the playground project.
>
>
>  Currently, I don't need to run apache locally (I used to), but if I did,
> I would still test it in a development environment.  Once everything is
> good, replicate (deploy) onto the target server.  I like to have my
> development and production match if possible.  If not, then a
> staging/testing area should be the same so I can deploy from development to
> staging, test like heck, then deploy to production.
>
>  Another use-case I have is that my workstation is sometimes far removed from 
> my development machine.  My workstation is either a Linux machine or 
> sometimes a laptop via VPN over wireless.  Tmux and vim/emacs are glorious 
> workhorses for this scenario and I have a hard time envisioning that same 
> level of convenience from an IDE.  I guess I was hoping that someone had 
> found something magical that was at least this convenient.
>
>
>  My development machine is in my home in New York, the staging and
> production servers are in California, I think (not absolutely sure).
> Doesn't matter the distance.  Since development is all local, don't have to
> worry about anything else until I'm ready to deploy.
>
>  In case it isn't obvious, I'm a django nub and probably do not know about 
> many best practices.
>
>   While there are certainly lots of Django best practices, I think the
> use of a development environment and deployment would work equally well for
> any type of project, not just Django.  In fact, anything I've ever worked
> on C, C++, Python/Django, Perl/CGI, etc., would all start in a local
> development environment first.
>
> If you don't find good answers to your question, maybe you should wonder
> why.  Perhaps most people do things a different way and so your question
> really doesn't have a good answer.  Just a thought.
>
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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Adam Stein]

On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 14:30 -0700, John Schmitt wrote:

> I appreciate what you said about deploying and not editing "live" files 
> directly.

Hope the information is of use to you.


> However, I have several projects in various stages of development and when I 
> first start a project, I don't have anything to deploy, I edit everything 
> "live".  When it's in production and users are counting on it being up, then 
> I would rather not touch the running machine.

I do the exact opposite.  When I first start out, all I have is my
development environment.  Once I have "enough" of a project for others
to use, then I start deploying.


> 
> When I'm creating a dummy project to test my apache configuration and/or my 
> management commands, or trying to assemble a complicated query, I do it 
> "live" on the VM on which I created the playground project.  
> 

Currently, I don't need to run apache locally (I used to), but if I did,
I would still test it in a development environment.  Once everything is
good, replicate (deploy) onto the target server.  I like to have my
development and production match if possible.  If not, then a
staging/testing area should be the same so I can deploy from development
to staging, test like heck, then deploy to production.


> Another use-case I have is that my workstation is sometimes far removed from 
> my development machine.  My workstation is either a Linux machine or 
> sometimes a laptop via VPN over wireless.  Tmux and vim/emacs are glorious 
> workhorses for this scenario and I have a hard time envisioning that same 
> level of convenience from an IDE.  I guess I was hoping that someone had 
> found something magical that was at least this convenient.
> 

My development machine is in my home in New York, the staging and
production servers are in California, I think (not absolutely sure).
Doesn't matter the distance.  Since development is all local, don't have
to worry about anything else until I'm ready to deploy.


> In case it isn't obvious, I'm a django nub and probably do not know about 
> many best practices.



While there are certainly lots of Django best practices, I think the use
of a development environment and deployment would work equally well for
any type of project, not just Django.  In fact, anything I've ever
worked on C, C++, Python/Django, Perl/CGI, etc., would all start in a
local development environment first.  

If you don't find good answers to your question, maybe you should wonder
why.  Perhaps most people do things a different way and so your question
really doesn't have a good answer.  Just a thought.

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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Javier Guerra Giraldez]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM, John Schmitt  wrote:
> I put my projects in virtualenvs which are in my VMs.  It's not like one VM 
> can only host one project.
>
> Is that what you mean?

not exactly.  if you're using virtualenv, you can directly run the
project in your workstation, no need to create any VM for development.
save that for the staging step.

of course, that's easy almost exclusively for Python projects, in
other languages, (but several are getting virtualenv-like features)
you might want to isolate and not pollute too much your workstation.
in that case, using jails (lxc, docker, even chroot!) makes it easier
to 'directly' edit without ssh or 'networked' filesystems.

in the worst case (when even the smallest test requires some hardware
i don't have), it's easy to add an rsync step to my test script.  So i
edit locally (with all my version control tools) and for each test all
changes are propagated in less time that it takes to restart the
process.

i guess that what i'm trying to say is that a good editing environment
[1] is the most important part of the setup, and it's unreasonable to
compromise it just because i don't want the whole messy project
requirements in my shiny workstation.


[1] i like Kate, which does have remote access to files via ssh
without even sshfs, thanks to KDE.  but it still adds a split-second
lag when i hit save, so i always edit locally, even if i test
remotely.

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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[John Schmitt]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 04:33:35PM -0500, Javier Guerra Giraldez wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:30 PM, John Schmitt  wrote:
> > When I'm creating a dummy project to test my apache configuration and/or my 
> > management commands, or trying to assemble a complicated query, I do it 
> > "live" on the VM on which I created the playground project.
> 
> 
> why bother with VMs when we have virtualenv?

I put my projects in virtualenvs which are in my VMs.  It's not like one VM can 
only host one project.

Is that what you mean?

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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Javier Guerra Giraldez]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:30 PM, John Schmitt  wrote:
> When I'm creating a dummy project to test my apache configuration and/or my 
> management commands, or trying to assemble a complicated query, I do it 
> "live" on the VM on which I created the playground project.


why bother with VMs when we have virtualenv?

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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[John Schmitt]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 03:43:23PM -0400, Adam Stein wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 12:03 -0700, John Schmitt wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 07:40:51AM -0400, Adam Stein wrote:
> > > Not sure what you are looking for in terms of Django template support.
> > > The only difference between pycharm community (free) and commercial in
> > > terms of Django support that I've noticed is that Django's development
> > > web server won't restart automatically when code changes in the
> > > community edition.  Haven't used community edition since last year, but
> > > I seem to recall, I was still able to have a task to start Django's dev
> > > web server (in debug mode so I can trace through my code as you'd
> > > expect), so as long as I restarted that after making changes, things
> > > were fine.
> > 
> > I've been hearing about pycharm lately, sounds great.  I'm a command line 
> > guy so I normally ssh to my server where I fire up my editor and hack away.
> > 
> > What do you do with a GUI IDE like pycharm?  That is, how does your 
> > edit/run/debug cycle work with a pycharm et al?  Can you still edit the 
> > 'live' files for your django project?
> > 
> > My imagination says that I would sshfs mount the server's file system and 
> > then pretend that the files I'm editing are local.  Do I still need to ssh 
> > to the server and manually restart httpd or launch manage.py as needed?
> > 
> > John
> > 
> 
> 
> Is your server your production machine?  By that, I mean, do you install
> your files somewhere else once you are done making changes to another
> server where it's "officially" used?  I ask because you really don't
> want to be editing live files where "live" means what your customers (or
> yourself) are really using.
> 
> I develop locally, then deploy to a remove server only when changes are
> done and tested.  Therefore, my edit/run/debug cycle with PyCharm
> consists of running Django's web server (./manage.py runserver) on my
> local machine through PyCharm's debugger so that I can step through the
> code.  I also have PyCharm set up to run various unit tests (also useful
> if I need to step through unit test code).  I don't restart httpd,
> because that is running on the remove server and only needs restarting
> when my code is deployed.  In the case of restarting Django's web
> server, PyCharm's professional version ($$$) has the ability to restart
> it for you if you have it running within PyCharm.  For the community
> version, you have to restart it yourself which is as simple as clicking
> a "restart" button.
> 
> If your files live somewhere else, you can mount the file system as
> you've mentioned.  Performance might be better if the files were local,
> but that's true anytime you go across a mounted file system.

I appreciate what you said about deploying and not editing "live" files 
directly.

However, I have several projects in various stages of development and when I 
first start a project, I don't have anything to deploy, I edit everything 
"live".  When it's in production and users are counting on it being up, then I 
would rather not touch the running machine.

When I'm creating a dummy project to test my apache configuration and/or my 
management commands, or trying to assemble a complicated query, I do it "live" 
on the VM on which I created the playground project.  

Another use-case I have is that my workstation is sometimes far removed from my 
development machine.  My workstation is either a Linux machine or sometimes a 
laptop via VPN over wireless.  Tmux and vim/emacs are glorious workhorses for 
this scenario and I have a hard time envisioning that same level of convenience 
from an IDE.  I guess I was hoping that someone had found something magical 
that was at least this convenient.

In case it isn't obvious, I'm a django nub and probably do not know about many 
best practices.

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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Adam Stein]

On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 12:03 -0700, John Schmitt wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 07:40:51AM -0400, Adam Stein wrote:
> > Not sure what you are looking for in terms of Django template support.
> > The only difference between pycharm community (free) and commercial in
> > terms of Django support that I've noticed is that Django's development
> > web server won't restart automatically when code changes in the
> > community edition.  Haven't used community edition since last year, but
> > I seem to recall, I was still able to have a task to start Django's dev
> > web server (in debug mode so I can trace through my code as you'd
> > expect), so as long as I restarted that after making changes, things
> > were fine.
> 
> I've been hearing about pycharm lately, sounds great.  I'm a command line guy 
> so I normally ssh to my server where I fire up my editor and hack away.
> 
> What do you do with a GUI IDE like pycharm?  That is, how does your 
> edit/run/debug cycle work with a pycharm et al?  Can you still edit the 
> 'live' files for your django project?
> 
> My imagination says that I would sshfs mount the server's file system and 
> then pretend that the files I'm editing are local.  Do I still need to ssh to 
> the server and manually restart httpd or launch manage.py as needed?
> 
> John
> 


Is your server your production machine?  By that, I mean, do you install
your files somewhere else once you are done making changes to another
server where it's "officially" used?  I ask because you really don't
want to be editing live files where "live" means what your customers (or
yourself) are really using.

I develop locally, then deploy to a remove server only when changes are
done and tested.  Therefore, my edit/run/debug cycle with PyCharm
consists of running Django's web server (./manage.py runserver) on my
local machine through PyCharm's debugger so that I can step through the
code.  I also have PyCharm set up to run various unit tests (also useful
if I need to step through unit test code).  I don't restart httpd,
because that is running on the remove server and only needs restarting
when my code is deployed.  In the case of restarting Django's web
server, PyCharm's professional version ($$$) has the ability to restart
it for you if you have it running within PyCharm.  For the community
version, you have to restart it yourself which is as simple as clicking
a "restart" button.

If your files live somewhere else, you can mount the file system as
you've mentioned.  Performance might be better if the files were local,
but that's true anytime you go across a mounted file system.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[James Bennett]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Bill Freeman  wrote:

> I just use emacs.
>

I use Emacs as well. It's been my everyday code editor for nearly 15 years,
and works with/on almost anything.

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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Mark Phillips]

Gedit works well with syntax highlighting. I like the console widow in the
bottom pain to restart the server when needed, see error messages, etc.
Don't have to go to another terminal window.

http://www.micahcarrick.com/gedit-as-a-django-ide-for-linux.html

Mark

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Wellington Cordeiro  wrote:

> Use Atom if you want a Sublime like editor that's open source, free and
> extendable. https://atom.io/
>
> -Wellington Cordeiro
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, anton  wrote:
>
>> Wellington Cordeiro wrote:
>>
>> > If you're doing serious development $70 for a very extensible editor is
>>
>> I know this very well, but with my question I wanted
>> to find out if there is an open source solution.
>>
>> Anton
>>
>> > chump change. IDE's are in my opinion too much for Django and rarely do
>> > all the things you wish they would. If paying isn't for you, I would get
>> > Vim or Emacs.
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:47:47 AM UTC-6, anton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Jorge Andrés Vergara Ebratt wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I actually use a text editor, I love Sublime Text 2 with the Djaneiro
>> >> > Plugin.
>> >> >
>> >> hmm this is shareware not opensource as I see :-(
>> >>
>> >> > As far as IDEs go, I used to work with NINJA IDE, it's a Python IDE
>> and
>> >> > it's pretty cool.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I will have a look ... but I do not see django & django template
>> support.
>> >>
>> >> But thanks anyway
>> >>
>> >>  Anton
>> >>
>> >> > 2014-09-24 4:36 GMT-05:00 anton :
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/)
>> >> >> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What I (personally) need from an ide:
>> >> >>  1. ability to debug (python code)
>> >> >>  2. support for django templates
>> >> >>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app)
>> >> >>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on)
>> >> >>  5. support for mercurial
>> >> >>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line
>> >> >> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now I have the following problem:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not
>> work
>> >> >>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development
>> >> >>speed is actually slow)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have
>> >> >>no support for *django templates*
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does
>> >> >>not support django and django templates, only python)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now the question: does somebody know a solution?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  Anton
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Wellington Cordeiro]

Use Atom if you want a Sublime like editor that's open source, free and
extendable. https://atom.io/

-Wellington Cordeiro


On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, anton  wrote:

> Wellington Cordeiro wrote:
>
> > If you're doing serious development $70 for a very extensible editor is
>
> I know this very well, but with my question I wanted
> to find out if there is an open source solution.
>
> Anton
>
> > chump change. IDE's are in my opinion too much for Django and rarely do
> > all the things you wish they would. If paying isn't for you, I would get
> > Vim or Emacs.
> >
> > On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:47:47 AM UTC-6, anton wrote:
> >>
> >> Jorge Andrés Vergara Ebratt wrote:
> >>
> >> > I actually use a text editor, I love Sublime Text 2 with the Djaneiro
> >> > Plugin.
> >> >
> >> hmm this is shareware not opensource as I see :-(
> >>
> >> > As far as IDEs go, I used to work with NINJA IDE, it's a Python IDE
> and
> >> > it's pretty cool.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I will have a look ... but I do not see django & django template
> support.
> >>
> >> But thanks anyway
> >>
> >>  Anton
> >>
> >> > 2014-09-24 4:36 GMT-05:00 anton :
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/)
> >> >> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux).
> >> >>
> >> >> What I (personally) need from an ide:
> >> >>  1. ability to debug (python code)
> >> >>  2. support for django templates
> >> >>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app)
> >> >>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on)
> >> >>  5. support for mercurial
> >> >>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux)
> >> >>
> >> >> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line
> >> >> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..)
> >> >>
> >> >> Now I have the following problem:
> >> >>
> >> >>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not work
> >> >>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development
> >> >>speed is actually slow)
> >> >>
> >> >>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have
> >> >>no support for *django templates*
> >> >>
> >> >>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does
> >> >>not support django and django templates, only python)
> >> >>
> >> >> Now the question: does somebody know a solution?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[anton]

Wellington Cordeiro wrote:

> If you're doing serious development $70 for a very extensible editor is

I know this very well, but with my question I wanted
to find out if there is an open source solution.

Anton

> chump change. IDE's are in my opinion too much for Django and rarely do
> all the things you wish they would. If paying isn't for you, I would get
> Vim or Emacs.
> 
> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:47:47 AM UTC-6, anton wrote:
>>
>> Jorge Andrés Vergara Ebratt wrote:
>>
>> > I actually use a text editor, I love Sublime Text 2 with the Djaneiro
>> > Plugin.
>> > 
>> hmm this is shareware not opensource as I see :-(
>>
>> > As far as IDEs go, I used to work with NINJA IDE, it's a Python IDE and
>> > it's pretty cool.
>> > 
>>
>> I will have a look ... but I do not see django & django template support.
>>
>> But thanks anyway
>>
>>  Anton
>>
>> > 2014-09-24 4:36 GMT-05:00 anton :
>> > 
>> >> Hi,
>> >> 
>> >> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/)
>> >> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux).
>> >> 
>> >> What I (personally) need from an ide:
>> >>  1. ability to debug (python code)
>> >>  2. support for django templates
>> >>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app)
>> >>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on)
>> >>  5. support for mercurial
>> >>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux)
>> >> 
>> >> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line
>> >> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..)
>> >> 
>> >> Now I have the following problem:
>> >> 
>> >>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not work
>> >>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development
>> >>speed is actually slow)
>> >> 
>> >>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have
>> >>no support for *django templates*
>> >> 
>> >>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does
>> >>not support django and django templates, only python)
>> >> 
>> >> Now the question: does somebody know a solution?
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks
>> >> 
>> >>  Anton
>> >> 
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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[anton]

Adam Stein wrote:

> Not sure what you are looking for in terms of Django template support.

I mean for example: syntax highlighting of the django template keywords.


> The only difference between pycharm community (free) and commercial in
> terms of Django support that I've noticed is that Django's development
> web server won't restart automatically when code changes in the
> community edition.  Haven't used community edition since last year, but
> I seem to recall, I was still able to have a task to start Django's dev
> web server (in debug mode so I can trace through my code as you'd
> expect), so as long as I restarted that after making changes, things
> were fine.
> 
> On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 11:36 +0200, anton wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/)
>> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux).
>> 
>> What I (personally) need from an ide:
>>  1. ability to debug (python code)
>>  2. support for django templates
>>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app)
>>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on)
>>  5. support for mercurial
>>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux)
>> 
>> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line
>> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..)
>> 
>> Now I have the following problem:
>>  
>>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not work
>>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development
>>speed is actually slow)
>> 
>>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have
>>no support for *django templates*
>> 
>>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does
>>not support django and django templates, only python)
>> 
>> Now the question: does somebody know a solution?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>  Anton
>>   
>> 
> 
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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Wellington Cordeiro]

If you're doing serious development $70 for a very extensible editor is 
chump change. IDE's are in my opinion too much for Django and rarely do all 
the things you wish they would. If paying isn't for you, I would get Vim or 
Emacs.

On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:47:47 AM UTC-6, anton wrote:
>
> Jorge Andrés Vergara Ebratt wrote: 
>
> > I actually use a text editor, I love Sublime Text 2 with the Djaneiro 
> > Plugin. 
> > 
> hmm this is shareware not opensource as I see :-( 
>
> > As far as IDEs go, I used to work with NINJA IDE, it's a Python IDE and 
> > it's pretty cool. 
> > 
>
> I will have a look ... but I do not see django & django template support. 
>
> But thanks anyway 
>
>  Anton 
>
> > 2014-09-24 4:36 GMT-05:00 anton : 
> > 
> >> Hi, 
> >> 
> >> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/) 
> >> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux). 
> >> 
> >> What I (personally) need from an ide: 
> >>  1. ability to debug (python code) 
> >>  2. support for django templates 
> >>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app) 
> >>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on) 
> >>  5. support for mercurial 
> >>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux) 
> >> 
> >> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line 
> >> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..) 
> >> 
> >> Now I have the following problem: 
> >> 
> >>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not work 
> >>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development 
> >>speed is actually slow) 
> >> 
> >>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have 
> >>no support for *django templates* 
> >> 
> >>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does 
> >>not support django and django templates, only python) 
> >> 
> >> Now the question: does somebody know a solution? 
> >> 
> >> Thanks 
> >> 
> >>  Anton 
> >> 
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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Bill Freeman]

I just use emacs.  One of the original open source tools.  Template syntax
support requires a plugin, and I might try one some day, but html mode has
been satisfying so far.  Also, since I know how to type, running my own
management commands in an emacs shell window works for me.  This sort of
magically includes source code view of the current line when you hit a
set_trace() or breakpoint or single step in pdb,  If you want a good
overview of available django relevant extensions for emacs, see
https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/Emacs

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Adam Stein  wrote:

>  Not sure what you are looking for in terms of Django template support.
> The only difference between pycharm community (free) and commercial in
> terms of Django support that I've noticed is that Django's development web
> server won't restart automatically when code changes in the
> community edition.  Haven't used community edition since last year, but I
> seem to recall, I was still able to have a task to start Django's dev
> web server (in debug mode so I can trace through my code as you'd expect),
> so as long as I restarted that after making changes, things
> were fine.
>
>
> On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 11:36 +0200, anton wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/)
> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux).
>
> What I (personally) need from an ide:
>  1. ability to debug (python code)
>  2. support for django templates
>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app)
>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on)
>  5. support for mercurial
>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux)
>
> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line
> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..)
>
> Now I have the following problem:
>
>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not work
>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development
>speed is actually slow)
>
>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have
>no support for *django templates*
>
>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does
>not support django and django templates, only python)
>
> Now the question: does somebody know a solution?
>
> Thanks
>
>  Anton
>
>
>
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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Adam Stein]

Not sure what you are looking for in terms of Django template support.
The only difference between pycharm community (free) and commercial in
terms of Django support that I've noticed is that Django's development
web server won't restart automatically when code changes in the
community edition.  Haven't used community edition since last year, but
I seem to recall, I was still able to have a task to start Django's dev
web server (in debug mode so I can trace through my code as you'd
expect), so as long as I restarted that after making changes, things
were fine.

On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 11:36 +0200, anton wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/)
> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux).
> 
> What I (personally) need from an ide:
>  1. ability to debug (python code)
>  2. support for django templates
>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app)
>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on)
>  5. support for mercurial
>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux)
> 
> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line
> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..)
> 
> Now I have the following problem:
>  
>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not work
>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development
>speed is actually slow)
> 
>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have
>no support for *django templates*
> 
>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does
>not support django and django templates, only python)
> 
> Now the question: does somebody know a solution?
> 
> Thanks
> 
>  Anton
>   
> 


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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[anton]

Jorge Andrés Vergara Ebratt wrote:

> I actually use a text editor, I love Sublime Text 2 with the Djaneiro
> Plugin.
> 
hmm this is shareware not opensource as I see :-(

> As far as IDEs go, I used to work with NINJA IDE, it's a Python IDE and
> it's pretty cool.
> 

I will have a look ... but I do not see django & django template support.

But thanks anyway

 Anton

> 2014-09-24 4:36 GMT-05:00 anton :
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/)
>> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux).
>>
>> What I (personally) need from an ide:
>>  1. ability to debug (python code)
>>  2. support for django templates
>>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app)
>>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on)
>>  5. support for mercurial
>>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux)
>>
>> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line
>> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..)
>>
>> Now I have the following problem:
>>
>>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not work
>>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development
>>speed is actually slow)
>>
>>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have
>>no support for *django templates*
>>
>>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does
>>not support django and django templates, only python)
>>
>> Now the question: does somebody know a solution?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>  Anton
>>
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Re: What is *the* django 1.7 IDE which is opensource & multiplattform

[Jorge Andrés Vergara Ebratt]

I actually use a text editor, I love Sublime Text 2 with the Djaneiro
Plugin.

As far as IDEs go, I used to work with NINJA IDE, it's a Python IDE and
it's pretty cool.

2014-09-24 4:36 GMT-05:00 anton :

> Hi,
>
> actually I use Aptana Studio 3.4.1 (http://www.aptana.com/)
> to develop Django apps (on Windows and Linux).
>
> What I (personally) need from an ide:
>  1. ability to debug (python code)
>  2. support for django templates
>  3. support for django (start a new project, adding a django app)
>  4. support for refactoring (like rename and so on)
>  5. support for mercurial
>  6. multi plattform (at least windows/linux)
>
> Starting with *django 1.7*, aptana marks some line
> as errors which are not errors (undefined variables from import ..)
>
> Now I have the following problem:
>
>  - I tried the actual aptana 3.6.0, but it is buggy and does not work
>(no idea if and when it will be fixed, the development
>speed is actually slow)
>
>  - if I use eclipse + actual pydev 3.7.1 I have
>no support for *django templates*
>
>  - all other ides like PyCharm are commercial (the free pycharm does
>not support django and django templates, only python)
>
> Now the question: does somebody know a solution?
>
> Thanks
>
>  Anton
>
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