Re: [dmarc-ietf] Sender vs From Addresses

2021-03-25 Thread Dotzero
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 5:53 PM John R Levine wrote: > >>> It is a problem when receiving servers use DMARC existence and > >>> pass/fail to increase/decrease deliverability rates. - And when > >>> Yahoo/AOL pretty much block everything you send - even with a 98 > >>> sender score, SPF, DKIM,

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Sender vs From Addresses

2021-03-25 Thread Hector Santos
On 3/25/2021 2:23 PM, John R Levine wrote: While I am not opposed to a future tweak to DMARC to add some way to say that A can sign for B, even if we did it, it would be a long time if ever that DMARC verifiers implement it. RFC 6541 added a third-party signature option to DKIM in 2012, and

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Sender vs From Addresses

2021-03-25 Thread Charles Gregory
" I explained the downside to Sender a few messages back: it lets people put any address they want in the From line so it becomes just a filter on the reputation of the DKIM or SPF domain. If that were adequate, they wouldn't have invented DMARC." Not using the 'authorization of specific

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Sender vs From Addresses

2021-03-25 Thread John R Levine
It is a problem when receiving servers use DMARC existence and pass/fail to increase/decrease deliverability rates. - And when Yahoo/AOL pretty much block everything you send - even with a 98 sender score, SPF, DKIM, and clean opt-in lists. Are they rejecting on DMARC failure because you're

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Sender vs From Addresses

2021-03-25 Thread Charles Gregory
>> It is a problem when receiving servers use DMARC existence and >> pass/fail to increase/decrease deliverability rates. - And when >> Yahoo/AOL pretty much block everything you send - even with a 98 >> sender score, SPF, DKIM, and clean opt-in lists. >Are they rejecting on DMARC failure

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Sender vs From Addresses

2021-03-25 Thread John R Levine
It is a problem when receiving servers use DMARC existence and pass/fail to increase/decrease deliverability rates. - And when Yahoo/AOL pretty much block everything you send - even with a 98 sender score, SPF, DKIM, and clean opt-in lists. Are they rejecting on DMARC failure because you're

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Sender vs From Addresses

2021-03-25 Thread Charles Gregory
"It sounds like they're asking DMARC to do things it doesn't do. If you can't ensure that everything sent with your domain on the From line is signed with your signature, you shouldn't publish a DMARC policy." It is a problem when receiving servers use DMARC existence and pass/fail to

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Sender vs From Addresses

2021-03-25 Thread John R Levine
Calconnect’s TC-CALSPAM group is currently looking at this issue and yes, the reason is because of real world corporations that use multiple brands with different domains. Typically employees got a single email address on one of their domains but often work with people who have email