Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread MH Michael Hammer (5304)
Authenticated Identifiers... -Original Message- From: dmarc [mailto:dmarc-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Franck Martin Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:50 PM To: dmarc@ietf.org Subject: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc- interoperability-02.txt FYI

Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Hector Santos
I think overall, there are two concerns I have: 1) The over estimated use of the idea for rewriting and 2) the word or term common is used for mitigation methods. Common means most and its not the case. Rewriting is a major industry taboo, in all mail or communications concept. Just because

Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net To: Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.org, dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:26:06 AM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt I think overall

Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: MH Michael Hammer (5304) mham...@ag.com To: Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.org, dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:47:20 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt 2. Causes

Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread John R Levine
Yes, they are not downgraded in transit. I improved the solution section in receivers, but I realize the description of the problem is not accurate. Fixing (and see below). Really, there is no problem. DMARC works fine on EAI mail. Just delete the section. I don't see anywhere in RFC6854

Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread John R Levine
No. No, no no. The dowmgrade is only for POP/IMAP retrieval to non-EAI clients, not anything else. If it's forwarded by sieve or the like, it'll forward the original EAI message. When I click the forward button there is no MTA involved... It will not forward the original EAI message.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: John R Levine jo...@taugh.com To: Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.org Cc: dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:12:21 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread John R Levine
No. No, no, no. No, no, it is not. No, no, it is not, any email client can forward the message they downloaded via POP/IMAP. They have no idea about the original EAI message smashing the message, because MS-Exchange/MS-Outlook prefers MS-TNEF to MIME, is a different problem. Please, don't

Re: [dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Hector Santos writes: Common means most and its not the case. You're wrong. Common in this context means frequently observed. Most common means most frequently observed. That said, with no statistics about actual usage, I would omit this word. Rewriting is a major industry taboo, in all

[dmarc-ietf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt

2015-04-28 Thread Franck Martin
FYI Please post more reviews... - A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Franck Martin and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability Revision: 02 Title: Interoperability Issues Between