Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-07 Thread John R Levine
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020, Jim Fenton wrote: Agree, the reporting is great. But so much of the marketing/mandates I see around DMARC doesn’t tell domain owners to turn on reporting first to see what’s broken, it tells them to publish a DMARC p=reject policy because they have a security vulnerability i

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-07 Thread Tim Wicinski
There are a number of open issues and you open more. https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dmarc/report/1 I think it is being serialized for lack of people and also WG energy. tim On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 8:20 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 12/7/20 5:15 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > A good section of our

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-07 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/7/20 5:15 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: A good section of our charter is collection Operational experiences. Doing an Operational BCP on DMARC based on data collected is what the WG should do after DMARC-bis. I guess I don't understand why this should be serialized. When I read over DMARC

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-07 Thread Tim Wicinski
A good section of our charter is collection Operational experiences. Doing an Operational BCP on DMARC based on data collected is what the WG should do after DMARC-bis. tim On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 7:50 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 12/7/20 4:44 PM, Dave Warren wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-07 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/7/20 4:44 PM, Dave Warren wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, at 22:31, Michael Thomas wrote: there are clearly many use cases where that isn't a problem -- like bank transactional mail -- and ADSP was just fine for that. There were still surprises to be had here. I still, to this day, find mai

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-07 Thread Dave Warren
On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, at 22:31, Michael Thomas wrote: > there are clearly many use cases where that isn't a problem -- like bank > transactional mail -- and ADSP was just fine for that. There were still surprises to be had here. I still, to this day, find mail direct from various senders that are

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-07 Thread Jim Fenton
On 6 Dec 2020, at 21:18, John Levine wrote: In article you write: As I recall, people took a run at trying ADSP and it was largely unsuccessful. I recall at least Yahoo, PayPal, and Google trying it but finding that it interfered with their employees' participation in lists, so they ea

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-06 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/6/20 9:18 PM, John Levine wrote: In article you write: As I recall, people took a run at trying ADSP and it was largely unsuccessful. I recall at least Yahoo, PayPal, and Google trying it but finding that it interfered with their employees' participation in lists, so they each invent

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not ADSP, was is DMARC informational?

2020-12-06 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >As I recall, people took a run at trying ADSP and it was largely >unsuccessful. I recall at least Yahoo, PayPal, and Google trying it but >finding that it interfered with their employees' participation in lists, so >they each invented new domains for their employees to us