Re: [dmarc-discuss] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
Am I the only one who gets bounces for reports to dmarc.org's reporting address repo...@dmarc.org? dragon.trusteddomain.org (which is the MX for dmarc.org) sends these bounces: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - repo...@blackops.org (reason: 550 5.1.1 repo...@blackops.org... User unknown) (expanded from: repo...@dmarc.org) For me it looks like a faulty forwarder at their site... -- Sebastian On 09.07.2015 15:33, Jacob Evans via dmarc-discuss wrote: Can DMARC reports hurt my reputation? I know most ISP’s treat repeated NDR’s as malicious or abusive behavior. Thoughts? -Jake Here’s a list of a few: dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com mailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com mailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com: host smtpvip.turner.com [157.166.228.84]: 554 5.7.1 dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com mailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com: Relay access denied dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk mailto:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk mailto:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk: host aspmx.l.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::1a]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at 550 5.1.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6596 c93si5552955qgd.5 - gsmtp dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com mailto:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com mailto:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com: host mx2.mail.aliyun.com [110.75.48.150]: 552 RCPT TO mailbox unavailable dma...@email4-beyond.com mailto:dma...@email4-beyond.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dma...@email4-beyond.com mailto:dma...@email4-beyond.com: host email4-beyond.com [67.216.72.162]: 511 Host Not Authorized to Relay dmarc_...@wrtech.com mailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc_...@wrtech.com mailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com: host mx1.emailsrvr.com [173.203.2.36]: 550 5.7.1 dmarc_...@wrtech.com mailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com: Relay access denied. This message contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, print or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply and delete the message. Thank you. ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html) ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
Re: [dmarc-discuss] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
While I can't speak for everyone, in theory yes, they could impact your reputation if those are a significant % of your traffic to us. Of course, if they are a significant % of your traffic, you're probably not sending much mail to us in the first place, so... *shrug*. However, I would make the argument that companies who publish a DMARC record with an undeliverable reporting address probably aren't paying much attention to their mail flow. It's much more likely to impact their reputation (if you won't take reports from me you've asked for...). On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jacob Evans via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: Can DMARC reports hurt my reputation? I know most ISP’s treat repeated NDR’s as malicious or abusive behavior. Thoughts? -Jake Here’s a list of a few: dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO: dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com: host smtpvip.turner.com [157.166.228.84]: 554 5.7.1 dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com: Relay access denied dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO: dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk: host aspmx.l.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::1a]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at 550 5.1.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6596 c93si5552955qgd.5 - gsmtp dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO: dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com: host mx2.mail.aliyun.com [110.75.48.150]: 552 RCPT TO mailbox unavailable dma...@email4-beyond.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO: dma...@email4-beyond.com: host email4-beyond.com [67.216.72.162]: 511 Host Not Authorized to Relay dmarc_...@wrtech.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc_...@wrtech.com : host mx1.emailsrvr.com [173.203.2.36]: 550 5.7.1 dmarc_...@wrtech.com : Relay access denied. -- This message contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, print or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply and delete the message. Thank you. ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html) -- PAUL ROCK Principal Programmer/Analyst | AOL Mail P: 703-265-5734 | C: 703-980-8380 AIM: paulsrock 22070 Broderick Dr.| Dulles, VA | 20166-9305 ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
Re: [dmarc-discuss] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Al Iverson via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: I agree that it looks like a bum forwarder setup from what you've posted. Forgive the dumb question -- why are you sending reports to dmarc.org? No, this is just where dmarc.org is asking for reports to go. % dig _dmarc.dmarc.org txt v=DMARC1\; p=none\; pct=100\; rua=mailto:repo...@dmarc.org\; ruf=mailto:repo...@dmarc.org; Indeed, it looks like a broken config on dmarc.org's end. They've been redoing a lot of their stuff now that it is an official non-profit effort. -= Tim ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
Re: [dmarc-discuss] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
I agree that it looks like a bum forwarder setup from what you've posted. Forgive the dumb question -- why are you sending reports to dmarc.org? Are they allowing random third parties to send it reports to them for analysis? I can't imagine sending reports of what could be my mail to some random other third party. Is this some common thing to help troubleshoot the spec, that I was ignorant of? Regards, Al Iverson On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Sebastian Schweizer via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: Am I the only one who gets bounces for reports to dmarc.org's reporting address repo...@dmarc.org? dragon.trusteddomain.org (which is the MX for dmarc.org) sends these bounces: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - repo...@blackops.org (reason: 550 5.1.1 repo...@blackops.org... User unknown) (expanded from: repo...@dmarc.org) For me it looks like a faulty forwarder at their site... -- Sebastian On 09.07.2015 15:33, Jacob Evans via dmarc-discuss wrote: Can DMARC reports hurt my reputation? I know most ISP’s treat repeated NDR’s as malicious or abusive behavior. Thoughts? -Jake Here’s a list of a few: dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com mailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com mailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com: host smtpvip.turner.com [157.166.228.84]: 554 5.7.1 dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com mailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com: Relay access denied dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk mailto:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk mailto:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk: host aspmx.l.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::1a]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at 550 5.1.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6596 c93si5552955qgd.5 - gsmtp dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com mailto:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com mailto:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com: host mx2.mail.aliyun.com [110.75.48.150]: 552 RCPT TO mailbox unavailable dma...@email4-beyond.com mailto:dma...@email4-beyond.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dma...@email4-beyond.com mailto:dma...@email4-beyond.com: host email4-beyond.com [67.216.72.162]: 511 Host Not Authorized to Relay dmarc_...@wrtech.com mailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc_...@wrtech.com mailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com: host mx1.emailsrvr.com [173.203.2.36]: 550 5.7.1 dmarc_...@wrtech.com mailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com: Relay access denied. This message contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, print or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply and delete the message. Thank you. ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html) ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html) -- Al Iverson | Minneapolis, MN | (312) 725-0130 aliverson.com | spamresource.com | @aliverson ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
Re: [dmarc-discuss] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
Aha, that makes sense now. Thanks. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Tim Draegen t...@eudaemon.net wrote: On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Al Iverson via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: I agree that it looks like a bum forwarder setup from what you've posted. Forgive the dumb question -- why are you sending reports to dmarc.org? No, this is just where dmarc.org is asking for reports to go. % dig _dmarc.dmarc.org txt v=DMARC1\; p=none\; pct=100\; rua=mailto:repo...@dmarc.org\; ruf=mailto:repo...@dmarc.org; Indeed, it looks like a broken config on dmarc.org's end. They've been redoing a lot of their stuff now that it is an official non-profit effort. -= Tim -- Al Iverson | Minneapolis, MN | (312) 725-0130 aliverson.com | spamresource.com | @aliverson ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
Re: [dmarc-discuss] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
I alerted Steve Jones. He should get it fixed soon On the broader question, send aggregates and failure report from dedicated IPs, it is safer. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Al Iverson via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: Aha, that makes sense now. Thanks. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Tim Draegen t...@eudaemon.net wrote: On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Al Iverson via dmarc-discuss dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org wrote: I agree that it looks like a bum forwarder setup from what you've posted. Forgive the dumb question -- why are you sending reports to dmarc.org? No, this is just where dmarc.org is asking for reports to go. % dig _dmarc.dmarc.org txt v=DMARC1\; p=none\; pct=100\; rua=mailto:repo...@dmarc.org\; ruf=mailto:repo...@dmarc.org; Indeed, it looks like a broken config on dmarc.org's end. They've been redoing a lot of their stuff now that it is an official non-profit effort. -= Tim -- Al Iverson | Minneapolis, MN | (312) 725-0130 aliverson.com | spamresource.com | @aliverson ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html) ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
Re: [dmarc-discuss] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
On 07/09/2015 08:20, Sebastian Schweizer via dmarc-discuss wrote: Am I the only one who gets bounces for reports to dmarc.org's reporting address repo...@dmarc.org? Bouncing was caused by some routine changes to mail aliases. Appears to have been corrected now. Thanks for the heads-up. --Steve. ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
[dmarc-discuss] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
Can DMARC reports hurt my reputation? I know most ISP's treat repeated NDR's as malicious or abusive behavior. Thoughts? -Jake Here's a list of a few: dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.commailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.commailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com: host smtpvip.turner.com [157.166.228.84]: 554 5.7.1 dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.commailto:dmarcrepo...@mail.cnn.com: Relay access denied dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.ukmailto:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.ukmailto:dmarc-foren...@emedia.co.uk: host aspmx.l.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::1a]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at 550 5.1.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6596 c93si5552955qgd.5 - gsmtp dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.commailto:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.commailto:dmarc_i...@service.alibaba.com: host mx2.mail.aliyun.com [110.75.48.150]: 552 RCPT TO mailbox unavailable dma...@email4-beyond.commailto:dma...@email4-beyond.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dma...@email4-beyond.commailto:dma...@email4-beyond.com: host email4-beyond.com [67.216.72.162]: 511 Host Not Authorized to Relay dmarc_...@wrtech.commailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:dmarc_...@wrtech.commailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com: host mx1.emailsrvr.com [173.203.2.36]: 550 5.7.1 dmarc_...@wrtech.commailto:dmarc_...@wrtech.com: Relay access denied. This message contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, print or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply and delete the message. Thank you. ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
