Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 20 March 2015 22:09:20 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: for details on how all this works on apt level with the devuan overlay over debian, you rather ask nextime. Rather first look here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla/blob/master/README.md signature.asc Description:

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- On Fri 20 March 2015 08:56:47 Go Linux wrote: I support this idea. Put all the systemd stuff in a 'quarantine' repo with the appropriate 'use at your own risk' caveats. From: Steve Litt [mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com] What would especially float my boat,

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Go Linux
On Fri, 3/20/15, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, March 20, 2015, 10:48 AM Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a contaminated

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a contaminated repository (and yes, that's what I believe it should be called), Hi steve. As discussed in another thread, there are certainly other packages affected by the big-brother

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Anto
On 20/03/15 16:56, Go Linux wrote: On Fri, 3/20/15, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a contaminated repository (and yes, that's what I believe it should be called), Hi steve. As

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 17:13:17 +0100 Joerg Reisenweber reisenwe...@web.de wrote: On Fri 20 March 2015 08:56:47 Go Linux wrote: I support this idea. Put all the systemd stuff in a 'quarantine' repo with the appropriate 'use at your own risk' caveats. I'd like to suggest a more generic

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 20 March 2015 08:56:47 Go Linux wrote: I support this idea. Put all the systemd stuff in a 'quarantine' repo with the appropriate 'use at your own risk' caveats. I'd like to suggest a more generic approach, based on (quick shot suggestion to get refined) listing the number of direct

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Anto
On 20/03/15 21:08, Steve Litt wrote: Anto, You're absolutely right. So let me modify my idea... If anybody *chooses* to integrate an app with any direct or indirect systemd dependencies, that person must put their package in the contaminated or quarantine repository, and that person is

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 04:01:28PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:40:43 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Steve Litt wrote: What would especially float my boat, once there's a truly depoetterized Devuan, is to have the package manager warn me at 160 decibles if

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:40:43 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Steve Litt wrote: What would especially float my boat, once there's a truly depoetterized Devuan, is to have the package manager warn me at 160 decibles if I decide to install something that pulls in any systemd code,

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 01:44:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Let me give an analogy that's absolutely offtopic here, I use it only Not as off-topic as you might think. as an analogy. Three years ago, I made a policy that no KDE library or software would ever exist on any of

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:07:05 +0100 Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: On 20/03/15 16:56, Go Linux wrote: On Fri, 3/20/15, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a contaminated repository (and yes,

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Joel Roth
Steve Litt wrote: What would especially float my boat, once there's a truly depoetterized Devuan, is to have the package manager warn me at 160 decibles if I decide to install something that pulls in any systemd code, because if there's a way to run without systemd code, that's how I want to

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Joerg Reisenweber reisenwe...@web.de wrote: My guess would be that all rogue stuff like systemd simply doesn't show up in devuan's packages.gz, and thus any package depending on it would run into unmet dependencies when trying to install it. Makes sense.

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:09:20PM +0100, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: for details on how all this works on apt level with the devuan overlay over debian, you rather ask nextime. My guess would be that all rogue stuff like systemd simply doesn't show up in devuan's packages.gz, and thus any