I am trying to compile ConsoleKit2 source for amd64 but I am getting this error:
dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libdbus-glib-1-dev (>=
0.30) libudev-dev libx11-dev (>= 1.0.0) xmlto libpolkit-gobject-1-dev
(>= 0.92)
Is it safe to install these files on a Devuan system? I want to av
On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 01:13:51AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> Maybe I am the only one unable to see the problem in asking the owner
> of hardware which requires some essential non-free firmware during
> installation to put the required firmware on a USB stick during the
> first boot. If the user has g
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:35:32PM +0200, Anto wrote:
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> Hello KatolaZ,
>
> Since Devuan is clearly a fork of Debian, does it have to respect
> Debian policy and follow what Debian does?
>
> I don't think the approach suggested in this thread will make Devuan
> the same as Ubuntu. The a
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 04:20:33PM -0400, Apollia wrote:
> >
> > I would find it particularly amusing if it were possible to install
> Devuan
> > on an iPhone. :-) Or anything else the average person wouldn't expect
> > Linux to work on.
> >
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 04:20:33PM -0400, Apollia wrote:
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> I would find it particularly amusing if it were possible to install Devuan
> on an iPhone. :-) Or anything else the average person wouldn't expect
> Linux to work on.
>
> Someone gave me an iPhone 4S a few years ago in the hope that I
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Franco Lanza wrote:
> I think we can draw a line in this discussion this way:
>
> Daniel will implement the installer in the way he was saying,
> adding non-free firmwares limited to the ones that if missed are
> blocking for the installer ( so, nothing more than f
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 21:31:29 +0200
Anto wrote:
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> On 04/06/15 20:51, Steve Litt wrote:
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> > .
> >
> > .
> >
> > Imagine the difference...
> >
> > You come home from Costco clutching your brand new laptop, all hot
> > and bothered to install Devuan because you've heard it's simpler
> > an
On 04/06/15 21:31, Anto wrote:
On 04/06/15 20:51, Steve Litt wrote:
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Imagine the difference...
You come home from Costco clutching your brand new laptop, all hot and
bothered to install Devuan because you've heard it's simpler and better
made than the others. You boot your Devuan DVD,
On 04/06/15 20:51, Steve Litt wrote:
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Imagine the difference...
You come home from Costco clutching your brand new laptop, all hot and
bothered to install Devuan because you've heard it's simpler and better
made than the others. You boot your Devuan DVD, and it tells you your
network car
I think we can draw a line in this discussion this way:
Daniel will implement the installer in the way he was saying,
adding non-free firmwares limited to the ones that if missed are
blocking for the installer ( so, nothing more than few firmwares for
things like network cards or wifi, for examp
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juni 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> [...]
> Why, why, WHY was that not stated *right up front*? From the
> beginning, *scream* "Don't waste time: If you get a prompt saying
> unsupported hardware, load the right stuff into your thumbdrive and
> just try again." Very explicit, exact in
On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 16:08:07 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 10:42:49AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
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> [cut]
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> >
> > But Debian does allow the installation of nonfree drivers. And, if
> > I recall correctly last time I installed (a long, long time ago),
> > it did ask the ques
On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 15:09:21 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 09:51:36AM -0400, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
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> >
> > With all the effort that has gone into this so far it deserves to be
> > a major distro and it would appear to this guy watching from the
> > fringe that the
> On June 3, 2015 at 9:33 PM John Morris wrote:
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> On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 02:52 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 06:18:37PM -0500, John Morris wrote:
> > > Non-free software: NO, Firmware: YES. So ixnay on things like the Nvidia
> > > drivers but yes on blobs. The reas
Le 04/06/2015 17:08, KatolaZ a écrit :
The debian installer does*not* provide non-free firmware but allows
the user to provide it in a separete medium (e.g.,a USB stick) and the
installer will ask during installation if the user wants to use that
firmware.
There is a*separate* netinst CD whic
On 04/06/15 17:08, KatolaZ wrote:
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 10:42:49AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
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But Debian does allow the installation of nonfree drivers. And, if I
recall correctly last time I installed (a long, long time ago), it did
ask the question.
We want the reputation of reje
On 06/04/2015 10:09 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 09:51:36AM -0400, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
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With all the effort that has gone into this so far it deserves to be
a major distro and it would appear to this guy watching from the
fringe that the necessary brain power is here, bu
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 10:42:49AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
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> But Debian does allow the installation of nonfree drivers. And, if I
> recall correctly last time I installed (a long, long time ago), it did
> ask the question.
>
> We want the reputation of rejecting monolithic blocks
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 03:09:21PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 09:51:36AM -0400, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > With all the effort that has gone into this so far it deserves to be
> > a major distro and it would appear to this guy watching from the
> > fringe th
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 09:51:36AM -0400, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
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> With all the effort that has gone into this so far it deserves to be
> a major distro and it would appear to this guy watching from the
> fringe that the necessary brain power is here, but without a
> noticeably sized us
On 06/04/2015 07:23 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 11:36:22AM +0100, David Harrison wrote:
On 04/06/2015 02:52, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
If it is the resounding will of the community to absolutely not ship the
default installer with this approach, then I will withdraw from
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 03:01:21PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> On 04/06/15 14:34, James Powell wrote:
> >I agree that there should be a scan ran to inform the system user that
> >binary firmware is needed at boot, but likewise, if the system needs it,
> >it should be an offered opti
On 04/06/15 13:23, KatolaZ wrote:
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 11:36:22AM +0100, David Harrison wrote:
On 04/06/2015 02:52, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
If it is the resounding will of the community to absolutely not ship the
default installer with this approach, then I will withdraw from Dev
Guys, free software is free software; it has never encompassed
hardware. And firmware belongs to hardware; it looks like software but
it is not, it is a configuration of hardware. It is in the kernel only
for the purpose of being loaded into the device, not to be called.
Distros who reject
On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 11:36:22AM +0100, David Harrison wrote:
> On 04/06/2015 02:52, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
> >If it is the resounding will of the community to absolutely not ship the
> >default installer with this approach, then I will withdraw from Devuan
> >and someone else can take
On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 11:22:10PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote:
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> Although I rank among the purists, I could go along with this idea:
>
> Two ISO/repo configurations.
>
> One which is free.
>
> The other which works if the first doesn't.
>
Seconded. I myself am among the purists, and I
On 04/06/2015 02:52, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
If it is the resounding will of the community to absolutely not ship the
default installer with this approach, then I will withdraw from Devuan
and someone else can take over the maintenance of the packages I've been
working on.
Daniel, you
Daniel Reurich wrote on 04.06.2015 03:29:
> I agree in principle about using strictly free/libre open source
> software, and where I have the choice I personaly will select hardware
> that aligns with those principles.
>
> However, I would not want my choices to become the tool that would
> p
Le 04/06/2015 01:18, John Morris a écrit :
On Wed, 2015-06-03 at 12:45 +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 08:37:22PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> >
> >I'd like a straw poll on whether we should include non-free firmware
> >in our installers by default.
> >
>My two cents on this
On 3 Jun 2015 8:50 pm, "Vince Mulhollon" wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Laurent Bercot
wrote:
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>> when the user buys such a piece of hardware
>
>
> Just be careful, the assumption is the user is the installer is the
buyer, and frankly most of the machines I've installed in the las
On 04/06/15 03:29, Daniel Reurich wrote:
Ok,
That was interesting
Here's my thinking on the how and the why.
definition of terms:
user = the person using the installer to install Devuan.
module = linux kernel module.
hardware = reference to the particular chipset(s) in scope, be they
So
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