Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Roger Leigh
On 11/09/2015 02:33, Daniel Reurich wrote: On 10/09/15 23:46, Roger Leigh wrote: On 10/09/2015 12:11, tilt! wrote: Since i already use $HOME/.config for configuration data, which more precisely is the default setting of XDG_CONFIG_HOME (according to [1]), i would like to consider the pendant

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor, I think avoiding to use two links for the backend would help to keep the project as simple as possible. Also using the version as a directory would indicate that more than one concurrent version of netman would be installed. The frontend, netman, expects to find the backend named as

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread aitor_czr
Ok, thanks. On 17/09/15 10:21, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi Aitor, I think avoiding to use two links for the backend would help to keep the project as simple as possible. Also using the version as a directory would indicate that more than one concurrent version of netman would be installed. The

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread tilt!
Hi, On 09/17/2015 10:12 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 11/09/2015 02:33, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> We could either use $USER_$SESSIONID or $USER/$SESSIONID to implement >> multiple sessions per user. > > This is definitely possible. It would probably need some thought on > how to determine which

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread tilt!
Hi Aitor & Edward, i don't think an /etc config file describing a location of a backend executable is required in the first release. What would be the motivation for a user to mess with intrinsics of the software architecture? Please keep in mind that the backend is a dangerous setuid

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:23:10AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > If rundirs are on non-volatile storage, my implementation can delete > > them at system shutdown (assuming an orderly shutdown is performed). > > if you use the /tmp prefix as default then you don't even need to handle > such a deletion

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Roger Leigh
On 17/09/2015 10:01, tilt! wrote: Hi, On 09/17/2015 10:12 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 11/09/2015 02:33, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> We could either use $USER_$SESSIONID or $USER/$SESSIONID to implement >> multiple sessions per user. > > This is definitely possible. It would probably need

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor, I am understanding you are giving me the go-ahead to let netman use an /etc/netman.conf file. In this case, the location of the backend would only be dictated by the path specified in the /etc/netman.conf file. Changes implemented to use an /etc/netman.conf file. Edward On

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor, Now, you should be able to place backend wherever you want and to name it what you like but you have to use a config file under /etc. New file name: /etc/netman.conf Contents of /etc/netman.conf backend=/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend Edward On 17/09/2015, Edward Bartolo

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor and Tilt, I think, Tilt has a point, if you agree, I can remove the use of an /etc config file. Edward On 17/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Aitor, > > Now, you should be able to place backend wherever you want and to name > it what you like but you have to use a

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread aitor_czr
This is the case, for example, of Qt. Qtchooser chooses between Qt4 or Qt5 depending on the installed package: qt4-default, or qt5-default. But i think this is not our case... So, i will use the directory suggested by Tilt, if you agree. Aitor. On 17/09/15 10:21, Edward Bartolo wrote: Also

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 17/09/15 21:01, tilt! wrote: Hi, On 09/17/2015 10:12 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 11/09/2015 02:33, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> We could either use $USER_$SESSIONID or $USER/$SESSIONID to implement >> multiple sessions per user. > > This is definitely possible. It would probably need some

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor and Tilt, As it is, the frontend can use an /etc config file for the location and name of the backend but the GUI does NOT provide any means to alter the config file. Do you, Tilt, still think that I have to remove the use of a config file even though users have to edit it by hand? The

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Roger Leigh
On 17/09/2015 10:31, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:23:10AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: If rundirs are on non-volatile storage, my implementation can delete them at system shutdown (assuming an orderly shutdown is performed). if you use the /tmp prefix as default then you don't even

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, tilt! wrote: > FYI, i am working on an implementation of XDG_RUNTIME_DIR at [1] > that can be configured to whatever a site-maintainer finds suitable. cheers! good effort > The default rundir prefix i am using is "/run/xdg-runtime" but then again, considering Roger's

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Roger Leigh
On 17/09/2015 12:29, Daniel Reurich wrote: On 17/09/15 21:01, tilt! wrote: Hi, On 09/17/2015 10:12 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 11/09/2015 02:33, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> We could either use $USER_$SESSIONID or $USER/$SESSIONID to implement >> multiple sessions per user. > > This is

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:29:50PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > I think XDG_SESSION_COOKIE is more aimed at restoring the previously > saved session state on login, ie start up all the applications and > get them to exactly the same state as it was at when previous > log-out occured (assuming

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor, Agreed. Shall I also remove the ability to have the backend placement set in an /etc/netman.conf file? By itself the frontend is unable to give root privileges to whatever is pointed to in that file. So, I see no problem in having an /etc/netman.conf file. But I stand to being

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread aitor_czr
So, the content of "/etc/netman.conf" would be: backend=/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend Isn't it? Aitor. On 17/09/15 16:28, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi Aitor, Agreed. Shall I also remove the ability to have the backend placement set in an /etc/netman.conf file? By itself the frontend is unable to

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

2015-09-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor, Yes. Edward. On 25/02/2032, aitor_czr wrote: > So, the content of "/etc/netman.conf" would be: > > backend=/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend > > Isn't it? > > Aitor. > > On 17/09/15 16:28, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Hi Aitor, >> >> Agreed. Shall I also remove the

[DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project)

2015-09-17 Thread Peter Olson
> On February 24, 2032 at 3:32 PM aitor_czr wrote: Your last few messages have had Date: lines far in the future. Check your clock! Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project)

2015-09-17 Thread aitor_czr
Apologies. I'm aware, and i checked it. Thanks. On 17/09/15 19:51, Peter Olson wrote: On February 24, 2032 at 3:32 PM aitor_czr wrote: Your last few messages have had Date: lines far in the future. Check your clock! Peter Olson

Re: [DNG] New mirror of Devuan 100% free

2015-09-17 Thread aitor_czr
I meant to say "life", no "live"... On 17/09/15 19:45, aitor_czr wrote: Hi all, I built a new repository of gnuinos, now based on Devuan: deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/ jessie main deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/ jessie main Here is the site: http://188.165.204.61/repo It

Re: [DNG] Xorg dependency on libsystemd

2015-09-17 Thread shraptor
Now got xorg-server recompiled without systemd dependencies Used suggestion of adding eudev .pc file to vdev Feels good to run your system with no systemd/libsystemd :) On 2015-09-14 14:26, k...@aspodata.se wrote: shraptor: On 2015-09-13 23:44, k...@aspodata.se wrote: ... > I got xorg

Re: [DNG] New mirror of Devuan 100% free

2015-09-17 Thread aitor_czr
Added the missing packages, but now i must rebuild the /dist/ folder, containing the indexes, because the checksums have changed. So, it is not still available. Aitor. On 17/09/15 19:52, aitor_czr wrote: There are packages missing, but i've seen were is the mistake

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread tilt!
Hi Daniel, On 09/17/2015 01:29 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > [...] >> The implementation so far manages to do without any form of PAM >> module or login-managing daemon process. It's my intention to >> keep it that way. > > That's great, but don't create something that would rule out PAM > or

[DNG] New mirror of Devuan 100% free

2015-09-17 Thread aitor_czr
Hi all, I built a new repository of gnuinos, now based on Devuan: deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/ jessie main deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/ jessie main Here is the site: http://188.165.204.61/repo It includes Linux-libre 3.16.7 (and shortlynetman will be also included in it, of

Re: [DNG] New mirror of Devuan 100% free

2015-09-17 Thread aitor_czr
There are packages missing, but i've seen were is the mistake and i will solve it. This is my first attempt. Aitor. On 17/09/15 19:45, aitor_czr wrote: Hi all, I built a new repository of gnuinos, now based on Devuan: deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/ jessie main deb-src