Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 04:36:26AM +, hellekin wrote: [cut] > > But aptitude is far from a great GUI. I'm confused between apt, > apt-get, aptitude, dpkg, apt-cache, etc. That's a lot of complicated > programs with divergent interfaces that overlap a lot. I'd like a > simple interface to

Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

On 04/19/2016 01:29 PM, hellekin wrote: https://beta.devuan.org Just from a quick glance, it looks really nice - much better than the current site. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On 04/18/2016 07:13 PM, Noel Torres wrote: * our own bug reporting system Hi all, I am a bit surprised there is no bug tracker and some other architecture. I would like to help make this a reality. Who is "in charge" of that and who decides this kind of thing? Simon

[DNG] Cdist for Devuan

Hi all, I saw Herb's question about Open Stack. I thought I should mention that I've added support to Cdist for Devuan. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

On 04/16/2016 08:13 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 16/04/2016 19:47, Noel Torres a écrit : >> >> I regularly use aptitude's CUI (I use to name it as text-mode GUI). >> Mostly because it has that wonderful "Mark as automatically installed" >> mode, that allows packages to be more easily updated or

[DNG] KDE Presents its Vision for the Future

https://dot.kde.org/2016/04/05/kde-presents-its-vision-future I like it. Ditto for the comments on Accessibility (a11y). == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/

Re: [DNG] OpenStack Image

I did look at it recently. The package debian-openstack-images could easily be forked and configured to build them. It is on my todo list to sort this and have the openstack image automatically built. Regards, Daniel. On 19/04/16 08:34, Linux O'Beardly wrote: > No, but it's something

Re: [DNG] Systemd criciticized for malfunctioning OS

On 18/04/16 23:33, Steve Litt wrote: By the way, if he were initting with Runit this would be so trivial to troubleshoot, because with Runit there's no place you can't put your voltage probe. There! Right there. That quote : "because with Runit there's no place you can't put your voltage

Re: [DNG] asteroids and release names.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 08:36:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Ascii will be the name of version 1, won't it? That will be jessie as far as I know. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:39:06 + Noel Torres wrote: > Steve Litt escribió: > > > I must have missed a step. Ascii is an 7 bit character encoding code > > where space is decimal 32, and tilde is decimal 126, 10 is > > Linefeed, 13 is Carriage

Re: [DNG] asteroids and release names.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:47:27 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Ascii is an asteroid named after that code.. And devuan should > certainly run when one's computer is on an asteroid. Thanks Hendrick! I had thought the original poster was on drugs asking us what we wanted

Re: [DNG] dropping ballast

Great news!!! Thank you for the big work on Devuan! Luca aka Lupin3rd On 04/13/2016 10:36 AM, Jaromil wrote: hi all today at 10:00 CET Nextime has dropped our first batch of ballast off the board.

Re: [DNG] OpenStack Image

I'm a complete noob at OpenStack. Not even a noob. More like a proto-noob, however I do have almost a dozen Devuan virtual machines in operation without incident, including the bare metal OpenStack machine and one of the Devuan build machines. What I could do (I think) is fire up a debian

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Go Linux escribió: This is putting the cart before the horse IMO. It would be nice to get the beta out the door before focusing on ascii. Any chance some of that energy could be directed towards the beta release? My energy is mostly useless for Jessie beta, as it is

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Steve Litt escribió: I must have missed a step. Ascii is an 7 bit character encoding code where space is decimal 32, and tilde is decimal 126, 10 is Linefeed, 13 is Carriage Return, 48 is 0, 65 is A, and 97 is a. How do all your bullet points relate to such a code?

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Hendrik Boom escribió: On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:11:16AM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > * our own bug reporting system yes please Crosslinked where appropriate with similar bugs on other distros, such as Debian, so

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:11:16AM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > > > * our own bug reporting system > yes please Crosslinked where appropriate with similar bugs on other distros, such as Debian, so that an automated script can inform us

Re: [DNG] OpenStack Image

No, but it's something I'm totally interested in. Unfortunately, like most of us on this list, I'm short on time to work on such a thing. However, if you're into it, I would love to hear any updates that you may have on the progress of such an initiative. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On 2016-04-18 17:11, Daniel Reurich wrote: What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? My list starts as this: * full init freedom, that is, all init methods being equally supported (sysv, upstart, systemd) and nothing depending on any of them. Nope - systemd will never be supported it's

[DNG] OpenStack Image

Hello, Has anyone created a Devuan OpenStack image? Thx H Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

> What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > My list starts as this: > * full init freedom, that is, all init methods being equally supported > (sysv, upstart, systemd) and nothing depending on any of them. Nope - systemd will never be supported it's impossible due to it's design. > * our

Re: [DNG] problem installing JRE

I didn't know about this change. >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:49:39AM +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: >> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:30:53 -0400 >> > Haines Brown > wrote: >> > >> > > I'm running devuan alpha4 >> > >> > I assume that there is no

Re: [DNG] Systemd criciticized for malfunctioning OS

Didier Kryn writes: > Le 18/04/2016 17:17, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Didier Kryn writes: [...] >>> This can't work with the method of starting all services in the same >>> time, in general, not specifically by systemd. >> It absolutely can: This depends on how

Re: [DNG] Systemd criciticized for malfunctioning OS

Le 18/04/2016 17:17, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] The problem is the way the ntp service is started in Debian involves invoking ntpdate prior to ntpd. While remember this, I've checked installations of Debian 7, 6 and 5 and none of them did this

Re: [DNG] s6: was What do we want for ascii ?

Le 18/04/2016 18:48, Steve Litt a écrit : On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:31:51 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: Any news of s6? I'm afraid Laurent has leaved the list, either because he didn't like our disussions or because he was upset by his emails from dynamic address being rejected.

[DNG] asteroids and release names.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:41:28AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:13:13 + > Noel Torres wrote: > > > My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that > > at work) so I started wondering... > > > > What do we (the DNG people) want

[DNG] s6: was What do we want for ascii ?

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:31:51 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Any news of s6? I'm afraid Laurent has leaved the list, either > because he didn't like our disussions or because he was upset by his > emails from dynamic address being rejected. My understanding is the newest thing

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:13:13AM +, Noel Torres wrote: > My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that > at work) so I started wondering... > > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > My list starts as this: > * full init freedom, that is, all init methods

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Go Linux wrote: > This is putting the cart before the horse IMO. It would be nice to get the > beta out the door before focusing on ascii. Any chance some of that energy > could be directed towards the beta release? I'm kind-of on the fence here. Part of me is saying

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:13:13AM +, Noel Torres wrote: > My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that > at work) so I started wondering... > > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > The best thing I can wish for Ascii is to have a beta of Jessie as soon as

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:13:13 + Noel Torres wrote: > My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that > at work) so I started wondering... > > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > My list starts as this: > * full init freedom, that is,

Re: [DNG] Systemd criciticized for malfunctioning OS

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:58:50 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > Here's another "one of those systemd thingies" I stumbled across > > this morning: > > > > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=613205#p613205 Quote of the day: "you're giving me homework rather than an easy

Re: [DNG] Systemd criciticized for malfunctioning OS

Didier Kryn writes: [...] > The problem is the way the ntp service is started in Debian involves > invoking ntpdate prior to ntpd. While remember this, I've checked installations of Debian 7, 6 and 5 and none of them did this (anymore). The ntpd manpage also says -q

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On Mon, 4/18/16, Didier Kryn wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Monday, April 18, 2016, 9:31 AM Le 18/04/2016 12:13, Noel Torres a écrit : > >My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that at >> work) so I

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Le 18/04/2016 12:13, Noel Torres a écrit : My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that at work) so I started wondering... What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? My list starts as this: * full init freedom, that is, all init methods being equally supported (sysv,

Re: [DNG] problem installing JRE

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:34:51AM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: [cut] > > You have a couple of workarounds open to you. > 1) do a dist-upgrade to devuan ceres and 'enjoy' life on the edge. It's fun! Well, I would object that suggesting to upgrade to unstable is not the first thing that would come

Re: [DNG] problem installing JRE

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:49:39AM +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:30:53 -0400 > Haines Brown wrote: > > > I'm running devuan alpha4 > > I assume that there is no other alpha4 than the current Jessie... > > > Problem is that I can't install > >

[DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that at work) so I started wondering... What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? My list starts as this: * full init freedom, that is, all init methods being equally supported (sysv, upstart, systemd) and nothing depending

Re: [DNG] problem installing JRE

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:30:53 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > I'm running devuan alpha4 I assume that there is no other alpha4 than the current Jessie... > Problem is that I can't install > default-jre because the tzdata-java package on which it depends can't > be found. I

Re: [DNG] problem installing JRE

On 18/04/16 02:30, Haines Brown wrote: I'm running devuan alpha4 on a Thinkpad x250, and so far everything has worked well. But now a problem. I need to convert PDFs to Word, and the obvious utility is (proprietary) easyConverter. Problem is that I can't install default-jre because the

Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

Steve Litt escribió: Hi all, I know many of you are using Devuan in production and as your Daily Driver. Patrick from debian-user expressed some trepidation about moving to Devuan in his impending escape from a systemd-encumbered Debian, and I figure maybe if he

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

Nate Bargmann escribió: * On 2016 16 Apr 15:15 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 16/04/2016 19:47, Noel Torres a écrit : > >I regularly use aptitude's CUI (I use to name it as text-mode GUI). Mostly >because it has that wonderful "Mark as automatically installed" mode, that >allows

Re: [DNG] Systemd criciticized for malfunctioning OS

Le 17/04/2016 17:07, Go Linux a écrit : On Sun, 4/17/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: [DNG] Systemd criciticized for malfunctioning OS To: "dng" Date: Sunday, April 17, 2016, 5:21 AM Hi, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30=613376#wrap