Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net): > To re-iterate this: [more very strangely worded, difficult-to-parse prose, seemingly alleging that library libsystemd0 can be used to insert 'calls' into unrelated applications -- which assertion in my view does not seem correct, if I am

Re: [DNG] suspend / hibernate with KDE

Arnt Karlsen schrieb am 25.07.2016 um 00:18: > ..I'm on ascii with daemon-version: 0.99.4, and it's been stuck > there for a few months, do I need to downgrade or some such? Devuan 1.0 ships with upower 0.9.23. AFAIK newer daemon versions only support systemd-based installations. Klaus

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:30:47PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 24/07/2016 22:37, Jaromil a écrit : > >On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > >>Didier Kryn writes: > >>>Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : > For example, when I discovered multithreading, all

Re: [DNG] Earth-friendly micro-desktop Devuan demo

On 07/25/2016 01:31 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: I've come to the conclusion that "fast boot" can be counter productive. SWMBO has a Windows laptop that's quite quick to get to the login screen, but from the disk activity indicator it's clear it's not actually booted - just prioritised getting to

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Rick Moen writes: > Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net): > >> I didn't expect you to stop the attempt to get a 'religious angle' into >> this just because I pointed out that your interpretation was completely >> wrong. > > I honestly don't understand the

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net): > I didn't expect you to stop the attempt to get a 'religious angle' into > this just because I pointed out that your interpretation was completely > wrong. I honestly don't understand the hostility, Rainier: It seems like anything I say you

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

Didier Kryn writes: > Le 24/07/2016 22:31, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Didier Kryn writes: >>> Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it in some way, even when it was unnecessary. >>>

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > Here, AFAIU, systemd is different, it requires daemons to > communicate with it using its own library, so that it forces itself > into all the daemons. I am reasonably confident that systemd in its role as an init can start and stop services that have no

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Rick Moen writes: > Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net): > >> That's neither 'abstract' nor 'teleological' as you yourself nicely >> demonstrated by immediately coming up with an equivalent but different >> term after reinterpreting my statement in a way it

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 23:30:47 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 24/07/2016 22:37, Jaromil a écrit : > > nowadays the closures paradigm (basically fifo pipes of pointers to > > stateless functions) is used much more than all that mutex and > > semaphore old stuff. i.e. golang adopted

Re: [DNG] suspend / hibernate with KDE

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 09:26:05 +0200, Klaus wrote in message : > Hello, > > i want to bring back this thread about suspend / hiberante not working > with KDE. > > In the meanwhile i did a fresh Devuan installation and get no suspend > and hibernate

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Le 24/07/2016 23:55, Rick Moen a écrit : The several init systems I've used such as SysVInit, OpenRC, and runit do not require that 'applications' (services) talk to the init system using glue libraries. In fact, they don't need to talk to the init system at all, unless I'm misremembering

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > Would it make any sense to have systemd with no application > talking to it? Someone (not me, but someone) might want it as an init system. ;-> (Infamously, the thing aspires to be many more things, but somewhere inside that mess there _is_ an init

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Le 24/07/2016 23:29, Rick Moen a écrit : Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): Don't remember which package depends on some libkerberos5. Assuming it's openssh or some component of pam. Package openssh-client. $ ldd $(which ssh) linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb76ec000)

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

Le 24/07/2016 22:37, Jaromil a écrit : On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Didier Kryn writes: Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it in some way, even when it was unnecessary. I sometimes use

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

Le 24/07/2016 22:31, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it in some way, even when it was unnecessary. I sometimes use multithreading, but never mutexes.

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Didier Kryn writes: > > Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : > >> For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it > >> in some way, even when it was unnecessary. > > > > I sometimes use multithreading, but

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

Didier Kryn writes: > Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : >> For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it >> in some way, even when it was unnecessary. > > I sometimes use multithreading, but never mutexes. Mutex can be > harmless if there's only

Re: [DNG] Earth-friendly micro-desktop Devuan demo

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 11:27:09 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, KatolaZ wrote: > > > This boot-time-final-quest is just BS, IMHO. > > yes, I think we all agree on that. But it was the stick we were beaten > on in the early days and the fact is not even proving to

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

Response inline. On Sun, 7/24/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan To: "Go Linux" , Dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, July 24, 2016, 5:28 AM > Hi Golinux, > On 07/24/2016 10:08

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

Hi, To moderator: Delete my previous email with the picture as the size is too large. Steve Litt wrote: << PRIORITIES: * Readability over pretty. * Quick Contextual recognition over pretty. * Readability over real estate efficiency of the screen. * Quick clickability over pretty. * Keystroke

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On Sat, 7/23/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, July 23, 2016, 10:02 AM golinux said: >> Thanks for reminding me about reisuo/b. Is reisuo/b really enabled on devuan >> by

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

Am Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb aitor_czr : > However, the circle control buttons can be customized :) They are > located in gtk-3.0/assets: > > titlebutton.png > titlebut...@2.png > titlebutton-close-prelight.png > titlebutton-close-preli...@2.png > etc...

Re: [DNG] Cannot install Samba on Jessie

On 07/24/2016 10:40 AM, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > > Apparently the bug has been fixed? Samba 4.2.10 installed without any > problem or hickup today with AMD64. > The bug remains open and is unassigned: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/61 == hk -- _ _ We are

Re: [DNG] openvpn systemd

> also note you may want to use the LEAP project for that, which > facilitates a big deal of setup on both client and server side. > https://leap.se/en/docs/platform/tutorials/single-node-vpn LEAP does > not requires systemd helas, I must correct myself here: LEAP went heavy on systemd :/ which

Re: [DNG] Cannot install Samba on Jessie

On 20-07-16 13:51, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:48:20 +1200 From: Daniel Reurich To: Rowland Penny, Dng Subject: Re: [DNG] Cannot install Samba on Jessie

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

Hi Golinux, On 07/24/2016 10:08 AM, wrote: Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb Go Linux: >Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And >the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It >blends with the

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

Hi Steve, On 07/24/2016 10:08 AM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Blind leading the blind, no pun intended. I'm using it in Openbox on Void Linux, you're using it on xfce or icewm. I'm attaching the following file: /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks_slitt/openbox-3/themerc It started with

Re: [DNG] Earth-friendly micro-desktop Devuan demo

Le 24/07/2016 11:27, Jaromil a écrit : >This boot-time-final-quest is just BS, IMHO. yes, I think we all agree on that. But it was the stick we were beaten on in the early days and the fact is not even proving to not be legit says a lot about the bullies we were up against. but you are right,

Re: [DNG] Earth-friendly micro-desktop Devuan demo

Hi, KatolaZ wrote: << On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 05:17:51PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/07/2016 17:14, Jaromil a écrit : > >yes is another occasion for rejoicing for all of us :^) and I find > >this a very interesting point since most systemd arguments talk about > >"booting times" but here is

Re: [DNG] Earth-friendly micro-desktop Devuan demo

On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 05:17:51PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/07/2016 17:14, Jaromil a écrit : > >yes is another occasion for rejoicing for all of us :^) and I find > >this a very interesting point since most systemd arguments talk about > >"booting times" but here is really about "login

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb Go Linux : > Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And > the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It > blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where > the apps are

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

Am Sun, 24 Jul 2016 05:14:43 + schrieb Go Linux : Hi golinux! > There may be a way to fix those things in the theme but that would > take drilling down deep into the code. If/when I finally get around > to that I'll start from the original themes to make sure the errors >

Re: [DNG] suspend / hibernate with KDE

Hello, i want to bring back this thread about suspend / hiberante not working with KDE. In the meanwhile i did a fresh Devuan installation and get no suspend and hibernate menu entries in the KDE menu as a normal user. When I do a graphical login as root (for testing), I get the hibernate menu

Re: [DNG] openvpn systemd

On 07/24/2016 02:14 PM, Robert Storey wrote: This got me wondering...do you we have a How-To for setting up OpenVPN on Devuan? I'm using wicd for my Internet connection, which as I understand doesn't support OpenVPN directly, but there is supposed to be a way to make it work. I haven't

Re: [DNG] openvpn systemd

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Robert Storey wrote: >This got me wondering...do you we have a How-To for setting up OpenVPN on >Devuan? I'm using wicd for my Internet connection, which as I understand >doesn't support OpenVPN directly, but there is supposed to be a way to [...] >so if not