Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:16:01 +0200 poitr pogo wrote: > I agree. > In perfect world of knowlegable programmers writing software that > works there is no need for supervisors. > > One can handle errors or leave this for supervisor. > > For me supervisor will always be a tool

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:17:52 -0400 Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: > > > > > Does OpenRC do the conditional starts? > > > Yes, it does. See "The depend function" here: >

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > Does OpenRC do the conditional starts? Yes, it does. See "The depend function" here: http://www.funtoo.org/Package:OpenRC ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread poitr pogo
I agree. In perfect world of knowlegable programmers writing software that works there is no need for supervisors. One can handle errors or leave this for supervisor. For me supervisor will always be a tool of a helpless admin. Regards piotr ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:52:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > > > But I am sure that 99.% of the users do not need supervisors in > > 99.% of the cases... > > I wouldn't say 99.%. I think everyone running wpa_supplicant can > benefit from having it respawnable, because it

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:22:25 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 03:51:43PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > [cut] > > > Nobody supervises pid1, OK? So why would the supervisor need to > > be supervised? It is supposed to be rock solid. Note that it can be > >

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:51:43 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 16/09/2016 13:15, KatolaZ a écrit : > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24:45PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > >> Steve, > >> > >> I like more and more this idea of separating the tasks: > >> -

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:24:45 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Steve, > > I like more and more this idea of separating the tasks: > - pid1 (sysvinit or whatever) performs one-shot startups and > basic supervision (like for getty), sysvinit, right? Spawn your gettys and

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Peter Olson
> On September 16, 2016 at 9:51 AM Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 16/09/2016 13:15, KatolaZ a écrit : > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24:45PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > >> Steve, > >> > >> I like more and more this idea of separating the tasks: > >> -

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:16:03PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > Hi KatolaZ, > > The preceding paragraph represents a philosophy more than anything > else. It's the philosophy that your computer must never, ever, for any > reason ever become unresponsive. You share that philosophy with

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:15:01 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24:45PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Steve, > > > > I like more and more this idea of separating the tasks: > > - pid1 (sysvinit or whatever) performs one-shot

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 03:51:43PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > Nobody supervises pid1, OK? So why would the supervisor need to be > supervised? It is supposed to be rock solid. Note that it can be barely > relaunched by sysvinit in the same way as getty. > Yep, but if a supervisor

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/09/2016 13:15, KatolaZ a écrit : On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24:45PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] Steve, I like more and more this idea of separating the tasks: - pid1 (sysvinit or whatever) performs one-shot startups and basic supervision (like for getty), -

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Freitag, 16. September 2016 schrieb KatolaZ: > That looks like a great plan, but who will supervise the supervisors? > :) The NSA .. or BND ... . If you don't have something to hide, then you have nothing to fear ;-) -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:24:45PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > > Steve, > > I like more and more this idea of separating the tasks: > - pid1 (sysvinit or whatever) performs one-shot startups and basic > supervision (like for getty), > - services needing a sophisticated

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/09/2016 12:02, Steve Litt a écrit : On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:31:28 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Am Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:31:54 + schrieb Jaromil : not at all. We even plan to roll out our own openrc package, ditching the one

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:31:28 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > > Am Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:31:54 + > > schrieb Jaromil : > > > > > not at all. We even plan to roll out our own openrc package, > > > ditching the one from Debian which has