Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 3/15/17 9:14 PM, Christopher Clements wrote: The exact suggestion is here: That is an excellent idea. Would be great if someone got organized enough to start a dialog with EVERY upstream dev individually and/or

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:06:30PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-03-15 21:32, Christopher Clements wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:55:57AM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: But what is the point? Our freedoms are being eroded on all fronts - we are drowning in a tsunami of reversal of

Re: [DNG] vim8

If at all possible, get it from backports instead of testing. If that's not possible, your options are to backport it yourself (preferable), to upgrade to testing, or to set up pinning to limit how much of testing you pull in. While it's strongly warned against, so long as you pay attention and

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 2017-03-15 21:32, Christopher Clements wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:55:57AM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: But what is the point? Our freedoms are being eroded on all fronts - we are drowning in a tsunami of reversal of choice dictated by those in power be they Debian or corporations

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:55:57AM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: But what is the point? Our freedoms are being eroded on all fronts - we are drowning in a tsunami of reversal of choice dictated by those in power be they Debian or corporations or government. Rather than piss in the wind...

Re: [DNG] Where to report?

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 08:18:10PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > Hi Hendrick, > > 1] As has happened in the past, I'm not sure I understand what you > wrote. > > 2] Your comment about the issue being about a ''devuan package' did > send me into a panic, so I double-checked, and it seems that the >

Re: [DNG] Where to report?

Thank you, ma'am. On 2017-03-15 19:39, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-03-15 19:18, Boruch Baum wrote: > > > >3] For EVERYONE on the list, not just Hendrick: Would SOMEONE *PLEASE* > >just answer the only question ( and what I thought was a simple and > >straightforward one) that I posted to

Re: [DNG] Where to report?

On 2017-03-15 19:18, Boruch Baum wrote: 3] For EVERYONE on the list, not just Hendrick: Would SOMEONE *PLEASE* just answer the only question ( and what I thought was a simple and straightforward one) that I posted to this list in my original message: Where in devuan web-space should I

Re: [DNG] Where to report?

Hi Hendrick, 1] As has happened in the past, I'm not sure I understand what you wrote. 2] Your comment about the issue being about a ''devuan package' did send me into a panic, so I double-checked, and it seems that the package is the unmodified debian 'dnscrypt-proxy_1.9.4-1_amd64.deb'

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

Steve Litt wrote: Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt on it please. Can those wanting to be added to Steve's list please contact him directly at the above

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:37:45 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of > people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt > on it please. Me too! -- Kim Lesmer

Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:11:05 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20170313171105.296b8...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:32:58 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:20:42PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:10:00 -0400 > > >

Re: [DNG] Where to report?

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 04:17:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > Hello all, > > I recently submitted what I considered a 'grave' bugreport to > debian[1], which had its severity downgraded to 'wishlist' and its > title changed, all because of systemd, which I suspect is irrelevant > to my report.

[DNG] vim8

Hi All, I have few questions. I am on (devuan) jessie.. Given that "mixing stable and testing branches is recipe for disaster", is it safe to apt install vim version 8 from ascii? I pinned the ascii packages to priority 50 in preferences and I get: # apt-get install -t ascii vim ... The

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:37:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt on it please. Mine too. (Although my name carries no weight at all apart from quantity.) I left

Re: [DNG] Where to report?

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 04:17:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > I recently submitted what I considered a 'grave' bugreport to > debian[1], which had its severity downgraded to 'wishlist' and its > title changed, all because of systemd, which I suspect is irrelevant > to my report. The severity of

Re: [DNG] The list is up

Steve, I'm a lurker at Devuan, but you can add me to the list of people leaving Debian (in this case, Linux). Our company is moving (slowly) to FreeBSD for our servers. Just don't need workstation OS's on our servers, which is what Linux is moving towards. But, with close to 100 servers, it will

[DNG] systemd:sysvinit stats

A few weeks ago I posted to debian-devel some stats gathered from data mining the "System Information" part reportbug adds to bug reports. Thus, unlike popcon which is biased towards users who install the straightforward way, these stats are biased towards contributors. If you're interested in

[DNG] Where to report?

Hello all, I recently submitted what I considered a 'grave' bugreport to debian[1], which had its severity downgraded to 'wishlist' and its title changed, all because of systemd, which I suspect is irrelevant to my report. Where in devuan web-space should I cross-post the report and its fix? [1]

[DNG] libreplanet discussing systemd vs sysvinit

Hi all Just a notice on this thread at libreplanet: [libreplanet-discuss] a question to developers (not packagers) re. systemd vs. sysvinit https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2017-03/msg00017.html -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 01:19:18PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > You can include me in your list if you want. But I think for a Debian user > who is currently questioning the need for systemd, knowing his alternatives > is much more useful than knowing that I (some guy they don't know) stopped >

Re: [DNG] [DECODE] DECODE - Monthly Follow Up Meeting

hi all, now I'm very embarassed, please ignore this thread, mine was a private reply, as it is also the list linked. thanks golinux for noticing me. I'm a bit overworked :^) but hey Devuan is coming up good. ciao ___ Dng mailing list

[DNG] HOWTO recompile surf on Devuan (was: New documentation on the Surf browser)

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 04:32:58PM +, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > Actually, I have already put together a minimal howto on that (thanks > to one of the Devuan users on our IRC channel, who tried the steps > while I was writing down the material). I should put it somewhere, > maybe on

Re: [DNG] [DECODE] DECODE - Monthly Follow Up Meeting

dear Shehar, can you subscribe to the decode-tech? I'd love to continue the conversations on detail there https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/decode-tech also we have a telegram channel which can come handy for asking questions to each other. there is also an irc.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:57:15 + KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 05:44:17PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > This sounds like telling minorities to stop whining for being > > discriminated against because they are ... well, a minority, and

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 2017-03-15 11:21, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:55:57AM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-03-14 20:37, Steve Litt wrote: > >. . . and they still have the power to take our init systems away from us >. . . How exactly will they do that? An executive order? By

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 04:57:15PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > debian-user is a mailing list of debian users. I am not a debian user > any more, and I was not on that list even when I was a Debian user > (and it was for about 15 years). So why on Earth should I now go there > and shout loud at

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

I left Debian for Funtoo and Devuan. The reason was systemd. Debian paid lip service to the alternate init systems, but in reality systemd was slowly but surely becoming required. I left because it was clear they were going in a different direction than I wanted to follow. You can include me

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 05:44:17PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: [cut] > > This sounds like telling minorities to stop whining for being > discriminated against because they are ... well, a minority, and the place > is run by the majority. You are basically saying that only majorities might

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 3/15/17 9:20 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 16/03/17 02:55, goli...@dyne.org wrote: . . . but remember that the Freedesktop/Redhat/SystemdCabal consortium has the goal of eliminating systemd as a choice . . . Er . . . not quite what you intended to say, I think. Yes, well, I read

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

Il giorno Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:26:22 + KatolaZ ha scritto: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:37:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of > > people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the

[DNG] The list is up

Hi all, So I took the six people who so far said they wanted to be on the list, put them on the list, along with the distro(s) they escaped to. I'd like to thank Patrick Meade for the idea of telling where each ended up. You can see the list at

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 16/03/17 02:55, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >> . . . but remember that the Freedesktop/Redhat/SystemdCabal >> consortium has the goal of eliminating systemd as a choice . . . >> > > Er . . . not quite what you intended to say, I think. Yes, well, I read that as -- you have no choice, the

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:55:57AM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-03-14 20:37, Steve Litt wrote: > > > >Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of > >people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt > >on it please. > > > > There are plenty

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 2017-03-14 20:37, Steve Litt wrote: Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt on it please. There are plenty of sites where YOU could start a MEEETOOO petition to prove your point. But what

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

Hello, Another way to speak up would be on Gnu social. Something that could be useful if that someone takes the time to respond to some questions or to join a conversation on GNU social. See for example here: https://community.highlandarrow.com/notice/737628 Here's a list of instance for anyone

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 03/14/2017 08:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote: We have our quiet sans-systemd corners, and right now they're comfortable, but remember that the Freedesktop/Redhat/SystemdCabal consortium has the goal of eliminating systemd as a choice, and they still have the power to take our init systems away from

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:37:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of > people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt > on it please. > You could definitely do that, but to what avail, if I may ask? Why

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

- Original Message - From: "Joachim Fahrner" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] We need to speak up Am 2017-03-15 02:37, schrieb Steve Litt: Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of people

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

You can add Marcus Coles to the list, but this really is a waste of time. If the list get several thousand names, it won't be enough to convince the loud mouth indoctrinated sheep that have taken charge of the barn yard and will be thought about only long enough to twist into a negative.

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:37:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > There's yet another systemd thread on Debian-User ^^^ Just ignore. The debian-user list is notorious for its _negative_ signal-to-noise ratio. It's not just system matters -- you're

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

The feeling is intense, but I am afraid a petition of sorts is not going to help. The systemd hooligans are manipulative bullies in the best case and will just troll your names on the board while sitting up on the walls of the stronghold. I recommend that beyond the act of putting up a list, you

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

Am 2017-03-15 02:37, schrieb Steve Litt: Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt on it please. Mee too. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] New package

Il 14/03/2017 22:13, Antonio Volpicelli ha scritto: > Sorry for the absence but in this period are full of things to do...anyway I > have ported another 2 packages on devuan : > > > java-package (from debian jessie) > > https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/java-package > > aMule (from ubuntu) >

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

Il 15/03/2017 07:21, Miles Fidelman ha scritto: > On 3/14/17 9:05 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> >> On 03/15/2017 12:00 AM, メット wrote: >>> >>> On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright wrote: Steve Litt wrote: > Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 3/14/17 9:05 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: On 03/15/2017 12:00 AM, メット wrote: On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name