[DNG] cron/fcron/bug#62

I see this is un-assigned. I noticed that cron is tied in with systemd-stuff. ' 1) is anybody/dev working on a cron replacement/upgrade? 2) is the d1h guidelines on dev1galaxy - id#549 upto date? ' only one (of several) way to learn - and that is jump in !! BUT I don't want to jump in somebody's

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > From a not quite novice: > > I started with Slackware in 1993, have used Linux more or less > exclusively (for my private work) since then. In the beginning with > FVWM2, later with IceWM, now with XFCE4, which increased productivity a > lot for me.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen [2017-08-16 19:34]: > The part you didn't address is where a DE is even helpful for this. > It's not. > > You've argued for a novice-friendly assemblage of good grapical > applications (in such use-cases), not for a DE. > > In any event, your concern appears irrelevant to the

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 01:26:15PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > I'm watching the J-Core project, which has resurrected the Hitachi > SuperH SH3/SH4 architecture as the patents expire, and should have a > fully fleshed 64-bit RISC system out in a couple of years. At that > point, you'll have

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

Quoting Haines Brown (hai...@histomat.net): > It would be naive to think that CPU producers don't build in a > backdoor. This is why I take an interest in Chinese CPUs. At this point > they are only RISC processors, but before long they should produce a > product competitive with Intel. I suppose

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

It's better to defend Init systems than focusing on the Systemd software. Dedicated hours against Systemd are lost hours for Init systems. How to defend init systems (ans supervisors)? Analyzing, documenting, comparing and explaining them to the detail. El 16/08/17 a les 14:39, Simon Hobson ha

Re: [DNG] Is a desktop needed? [Was: Which desktops are available in Devuan?]

Quoting Erik Christiansen (dva...@internode.on.net): > GUI stuff, other than a browser and Eagle doesn't get run on my > machines¹. But in my experience each distro has a DE, so it seems to be a > matter of selecting the leanest, and fastest to come up and go down. > Perhaps I'm not aware of what

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): [snip much] > And like it or not, for this very large group of people, the "desktop" > needs to be familiar enough (ie look and work like Windows) for them > to be able to carry on with their trial and error prodding to get > things done. The part

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

> On Aug 15, 2017, at 4:45 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 19:57 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: >> Hi there > > Hi > >> Which desktops work without systemd? >> A list would be nice. > > I'm running mate on an upgraded to ascii VM. Cinnamon is

Re: [DNG] openrc, eudev, test iso

On 08/16/2017 07:06 AM, fsmithred wrote: > > It is installable with refractainstaller, but it has grub-efi installed. > If you're on a legacy bios system, install the grub-pc debs before you run > the installer, and don't select a place for the bootloader if it asks. Let > the installer do that

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

On 2017-08-16 07:39, Simon Hobson wrote: Also, have a link ready to the analysis someone did showing that in fact "going SystemD" was a minority vote once you look at the options carefully and exclude the ones that didn't really vote for SystemD but were counted as such. Sorry, don't have the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen wrote: > Honestly, who the Gehenna needs a Desktop Environment? Because it > bundles a graphical file shell? If you want one of those, install > whichever one you like best on an a la carte basis. The whole DE > concept lacks a compelling justification, IMO.

[DNG] Is a desktop needed? [Was: Which desktops are available in Devuan?]

On 16.08.17 04:52, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Erik Christiansen (dva...@internode.on.net): > > > I might just settle for the default XFCE for a while, after all: Life is > > the art of the possible. LXQt on ascii will be worth a try when it's > > out, though. > > Honestly, who the Gehenna needs

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

Edward Bartolo wrote: > Keep in mind that someone from the audience may tell you that > fine control requires the knowledge of complicated shell scripting and > the knowledge of how diverse programs are configured in their > configuration files. Just like Windows, with

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

On 08/16/2017 02:34 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: [snip] > I would prepare such a lecture by making a great effort to be as > objective as possible. Therefore, my advice is to stick to facts. [snip] Definitely stay focused exclusively on documented facts. The presentation will be to easy to derail

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Quoting Erik Christiansen (dva...@internode.on.net): > I might just settle for the default XFCE for a while, after all: Life is > the art of the possible. LXQt on ascii will be worth a try when it's > out, though. Honestly, who the Gehenna needs a Desktop Environment? Because it bundles a

[DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

Quote: << "Why I Hate systemd" >> Since systemd has been adopted by most distributions, "Hate" is probably going to derail any objective discussion. A better title would be, "Why init freedom offers more flexibility" or something similar. As others said, it is absolutely not wise to use any

Re: [DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 13:24:36 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 11:56:46 +0100 > ael wrote: > > [...] > > > Devuan needs to avoid importing this problem. > > It also needs to avoid been labelled as an

Re: [DNG] openrc, eudev, test iso

On 08/16/2017 07:06 AM, fsmithred wrote: > I made a live-iso with ascii, openrc and eudev for testing purposes. > http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/ascii_oblx_eudv_oprc-20170813_.iso > > This started as a no-X Refracta-ascii amd64 live iso (standard system plus > extra

Re: [DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 11:56:46 +0100 ael wrote: [...] > Devuan needs to avoid importing this problem. It also needs to avoid been labelled as an unsafe distro, one of the few¹ to still support unsecure protocols. After all, TLS v. 2.0 is from 1995, quite a

[DNG] openrc, eudev, test iso

I made a live-iso with ascii, openrc and eudev for testing purposes. http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/ascii_oblx_eudv_oprc-20170813_.iso This started as a no-X Refracta-ascii amd64 live iso (standard system plus extra system utilities). Added openbox, lxpanel, lxterminal,

[DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1

The Debian maintainer of openssl has unilaterally decided to disable TLS 1.0 and 1.1 with no option to re-enable. This breaks situations where users have no access to or influence on servers which still (unfortunately) use these old protocols. One case is offlineimap and there is a thread on the

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 08/16/2017 02:36 AM, Dave Turner wrote: > On 16/08/17 00:39, Joel Roth wrote: >> Further, I don't have libsystemd0 installed on my system at >> all, although there are some config files hanging around in /etc. >> >> dpkg -l libsystemd0 >> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >> | >>

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 at 13:48:37 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > It would be naive to think that CPU producers don't build in a > backdoor. This is why I take an interest in Chinese CPUs. There are also processors produced from Russian firms:

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 07:59:34 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > El 15/08/17 a les 21:33, Simon Hobson ha escrit: >> Narcis Garcia wrote: >> >>> As Far As I Know, CPU makes what software asks to do. >>> If software doesn't call some CPU functions,

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Multiple replies here, to minimise list traffic: On 15.08.17 13:18, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:45:05 +1000 > Sporting a similar user interace, but with increased stability, > parsamonious use of resources, and absolutely no allegience to systemd > is LXDE. For the past 4 years the

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

El 16/08/17 a les 09:17, Erik Christiansen ha escrit: > On 15.08.17 21:49, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:42:50AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> >>> ..I agree "hate" is a little too loaded and a little too warranted. ;o) >> >> Exactly my point. But it's better to present the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

Am Dienstag, 15. August 2017 schrieb Arnt Karlsen: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:45:54 +0200, Svante wrote in message > <1502786754.3090.22.ca...@gmail.com>: > > > On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 19:57 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: > > > Hi there > > > > Hi > > > > > Which desktops work without systemd? >

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Thanks for the link. Might check it out when I can find some spare hardware lying around. > Sorry, i didn't attach the link: > > http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%20Ascii%20Beta/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

El 16/08/17 a les 03:49, Hendrik Boom ha escrit: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:42:50AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:27:13 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message >> <20170815012713.ga7...@topoi.pooq.com>: >> >>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:45:08PM +0200, Evilham wrote: >>>

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

El 15/08/17 a les 21:33, Simon Hobson ha escrit: > Narcis Garcia wrote: > >> As Far As I Know, CPU makes what software asks to do. >> If software doesn't call some CPU functions, those functions will not work. > > Well, maybe, but these days you can't take that on trust.