Re: [DNG] An alternative to Devuan thread

2017-08-24 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 25/08/17 a les 01:14, Steve Litt ha escrit: > On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 00:35:13 +0200 > Svante Signell wrote: > > >> Hi Edward, >> >> Can you please quote the relevant parts of the mail you are replying >> to, especially the name of the person who sent that mail. Please ;) > > Yes! And I wish eve

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > To take it a step further, for gosh sakes, write for clarity. Quote > what's relevant to your reply, including what person said it, and > delete all quoted material not relevant to your reply. If you're > interleave posting, please please PLEASE de

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 00:35:13 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: > Hi Edward, > > Can you please quote the relevant parts of the mail you are replying > to, especially the name of the person who sent that mail. Please ;) Yes! And I wish everybody would do what Svante says. And it's not just Edward, by

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 22:16 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Option 3 will break simple-netaid both the frontend and the backend. > Option 1 may not need any code changing. > > What is the advantage if any of naming an interface eth0of1? Why eth0 > is appended with an 'of1'? Why not just use eth0, e

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 24/08/2017 à 17:45, Rick Moen a écrit : (To my knowledge, I'm the only Rick who's recently posted.) Just a point: I've steered clear of said off-topic philosophical discussion, and spoken only on the subthreads about X configuration and about fvwm/SLiM. Rick, Excuse me if I've incl

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread calmstorm
On 08/24/2017 09:34 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Quote by Narcis Garcia: "...Volkswagen...soviet...assassination...mom" > > ??? > Sorry, I don't read minds and have no intention to waste my time > trying to decipher what you could have written in a way that could be > understood immediately. > > S

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 24 August 2017 at 22:04:40, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:28:55 +0200 > > Antony Stone wrote: > > > > 3. To those who have been posting it - please stop, and get back > > on-topic about making Devuan a better distribution. > > Ummm, no. Part of making a better Devuan d

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Edward Bartolo
Option 3 will break simple-netaid both the frontend and the backend. Option 1 may not need any code changing. What is the advantage if any of naming an interface eth0of1? Why eth0 is appended with an 'of1'? Why not just use eth0, eth1, , ethN instead? -- If you can't explain it simply, you d

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:28:55 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2017 at 10:24:56, Narcis Garcia wrote: > > > ...Wolkswagen Beetle ... > > ...Volkswagens of various models > > ...mom's 1967 1300 Beetle... > > ...Soviet Politburo pictures "evolve"... > > ...trump-may-not-survive

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > Red Hat 7 was released in 2000, according to Wikipedia. Hey, you're right, thanks! That'll teach me to post from memory when I'm jet-lagged. So, Linux distributions have had even-easier X configurator tools since at the very latest 2000. I'm reas

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > Alessandro, Narcis, Rick, > > You have plenty of technical skills and usefull ideas. Could you > please concentrate on these. Since this site is also about KISS, I > bet some people (like me) would really like to know how to get the > best of Xorg wi

[DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Edward Bartolo
Quote by Narcis Garcia: "...Volkswagen...soviet...assassination...mom" ??? Sorry, I don't read minds and have no intention to waste my time trying to decipher what you could have written in a way that could be understood immediately. Sorry for my rude reply but writing illegible replies is also r

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-24 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 24/08/2017 à 01:01, John Franklin a écrit : On Aug 22, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Dave Turner wrote: There's a lot of heavy discussion going on in 'Proposed change to ascii' and 'an alternative to renaming' But what does Linus do? How does he think this should play out? I am a big fan of 'going w

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 24/08/17 a les 11:33, Edward Bartolo ha escrit: > Quote by Karl Hammar: "There are several drawback useing the old > transformer + rectifier design. Of main consern is the current spikes > seen on the power grid when the diodes starts to conduct. Your power > supplier don't like them and that i

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Edward Bartolo
Thanks for the reference. It was a very interesting reading. I really appreciated it. -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) If you cannot make abstructions about details you do not understand the concepts underlying them. ___

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread karl
Edward Bartolo: ... > For voltage rectification Power Factor Correction (PFC) is not an > issue. ... For ac input, diodes gives you awful ac input currents, see e.g fig. 2 in: http://www.vishay.com/docs/88868/anpfc.pdf which is (somewhat) corrected by PFC. It has nothing to do with a switch mod

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Harald Arnesen
Rick Moen [2017-08-23 23:32]: > Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > >> >> Manual Xorg configuration is so tedious, time consuming and error >> >> prone that requiring users to be capable of it is just crazy. >> > Au contraire: Even if you had nothing besides Xorg (or previously >> > XF

[DNG] ..setting up Devuan mirrors, with amprolla?, was: An alternative to renaming

2017-08-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:28:55 +0200, Antony wrote in message <201708241028.55629.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > 3. To those who have been posting it - please stop, and get back > on-topic about making Devuan a better distribution. ..totally agreed. My first post here was on Thu, 17 Dec 2

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Devuan Meet Aug 23/24 2017 @20:30 UTC

2017-08-24 Thread Jaromil
damn... sorry. happened again :( its the reply-to of the list which needs to be rewritten by hand and the completion goes to dng... apologies for unrelated noise. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/l

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:18:37 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message <20170824101837.255a0b19@ayu>: > > ..you missed my "e.g.", and my point. ;o) > > Which is a moot example, as systemd can be done away with. ..precisely like yourself. EOD. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arn

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Devuan Meet Aug 23/24 2017 @20:30 UTC

2017-08-24 Thread Jaromil
dear Svante, On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Svante Signell wrote: > Maybe all of you having full access should indicate your future > availability and commitment to Devuan? That's the way things are run in > the non-spare-time-free-software-development world. I did. All Devuan developers and all my colle

[DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Edward Bartolo
Quote by Karl Hammar: "There are several drawback useing the old transformer + rectifier design. Of main consern is the current spikes seen on the power grid when the diodes starts to conduct. Your power supplier don't like them and that is why we have PFC to make the unit behave more like a resis

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 24/08/2017 à 10:18, Alessandro Selli a écrit : On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:18:19 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:00:12 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message <20170823180012.327dbdc8@ayu>: On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-24 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 24/08/2017 à 09:46, Narcis Garcia a écrit : El 24/08/17 a les 01:03, Adam Borowski ha escrit: Hi! I'd like to recommend another improvement: let's make the installer default to noatime for fstab it creates. In the past, atime updates used to ruin performance. Thanks to work by Ted Ts'o and

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 24 August 2017 at 10:24:56, Narcis Garcia wrote: > ...Wolkswagen Beetle ... > ...Volkswagens of various models > ...mom's 1967 1300 Beetle... > ...Soviet Politburo pictures "evolve"... > ...trump-may-not-survive-his-term-but-the-assassination-complex-will... > ...Italian history is

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Narcis Garcia
...Wolkswagen Beetle ... ...Volkswagens of various models ...mom's 1967 1300 Beetle... ...Soviet Politburo pictures "evolve"... ...trump-may-not-survive-his-term-but-the-assassination-complex-will... ...Italian history is quite different from Polish history... What are you talking about? It's

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:18:19 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:00:12 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message > <20170823180012.327dbdc8@ayu>: > >> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200 >> Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-24 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 24/08/17 a les 01:03, Adam Borowski ha escrit: > Hi! > I'd like to recommend another improvement: let's make the installer default > to noatime for fstab it creates. > > In the past, atime updates used to ruin performance. Thanks to work by Ted > Ts'o and others, that penalty has been greatly