On 11/28/18 2:53 PM, ael wrote:
I just dug out one of my old dongles and plugged it into a debian
testing laptop.
The mode switch seems to be automatic, which is what I remembered, and
someone else said had been true of recent kernels.
Here is an extract from dmesg:
Very good. Will test it
On 11/28/18 11:41 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
I haven't read any of those in detail. I just wanted to illustrate that
you can find _possibly_ promising coverage of Linux support for, e.g.,
the Huawei E3372 by Web-searching for 'Huawei E3372 Linux' (and then, of
course, favouring more-clueful sites
On 11/27/18 8:08 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
__
It is a while ago that I struggled with a USB modem but your device
should be recognized by your system (supported since 2.6.18).
A old bug i found was that usbstorage is too fast for usbswitch. The
remedy would be to create
On 29/11/18 at 18:19, Roger Leigh wrote:
> If you're a ZFS user
Yeah, that's it.
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Just to clarify, I live in a state called Tennessee, and I have a southern
drawl as well, however, most folks on the Devuan team have spoken to me
over video chat and I'm apparently comprehensible.
Airfare from where I live, in the Knoxville, TN, USA area, to Europe is
usually between $1400-2300
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 04:26:23PM -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> This is a much less expensive mATX variant of the TALOS 2 from the same
> people.
>
> It runs both little and big endian so both ppc64 and ppc64le and
> supports POWER-KVM/POWER-IOMMU/IOMMU-GFX for DMA protection and to
> attach
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 04:40:52PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 01:30:53PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> >
> > Compiling a kernel locally to include inline essential hardware drivers
> > is so simple I _think_ I could teach even a Republican Party voter how
> > to do it. ;->
[/me nervously looks around for the listadmins before messing around
being off-topic]
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):
> And if we find ourselves talking to a call centre in Glasgow - well
> that's worse than the ones in India :D
Glaswegian's delightful, though, even though
Quoting Jamey Fletcher (ja...@beau.org):
> No, it's because I'm po' - they done repossessed my r and my other o. To
> be fair, I'm not quite *that* poor - but $350+expenses for five days in
> Amsterdam ($75 a day, I expect?) is pretty much my discretionary spending
> for several months gone, and
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 01:30:53PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> Compiling a kernel locally to include inline essential hardware drivers
> is so simple I _think_ I could teach even a Republican Party voter how
> to do it. ;->
>
> ITYM 'will probably never support without sysadmin manual work to
Quoting Stephan Seitz (stse+dev...@fsing.rootsland.net):
> On Do, Nov 29, 2018 at 01:22:05 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >My understanding is that Devuan will ask in the fresh installer whether
> >the user wants to merge or not, with the default being no merge. This
> >is fine with me. Do you have a
This is a much less expensive mATX variant of the TALOS 2 from the same
people.
It runs both little and big endian so both ppc64 and ppc64le and
supports POWER-KVM/POWER-IOMMU/IOMMU-GFX for DMA protection and to
attach PCI-e devices to VM's including PCI-e graphics devices[3]
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:19:44 -0500
Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:55:03 +
> g4sra wrote:
>
>
> > How should this training room be best implemented for reliability
> > and ease of maintenance ?
>
> Be sure to tape every cable to the carpet/floor so nobody trips over
> them.
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:55:03 +
g4sra wrote:
> How should this training room be best implemented for reliability and
> ease of maintenance ?
Be sure to tape every cable to the carpet/floor so nobody trips over
them. Ask the venue for which tape(s) are acceptable.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> I do not expect an OS that does not even let you chose on what disk to
> perform the install will let you choose a filesystem layout that is not
> the recommended one, that is LVM across all the available devices.
Yeah, and in agreement
On 11/24/18 1:55 PM, g4sra wrote:
I would appreciate advice on the following situation
I have several hosts of differing architectures or peripherals in a
training room (several training rooms actually but each are independent
of each other) which are supported by a server running the standard
On 2018-11-29 06:14, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:44:35AM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
On 2018-11-29 00:22, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> My understanding is that Devuan will ask in the fresh installer whether
> the user wants to merge or not, with the default being no merge. This
>
On 28/11/18 at 11:37, Didier Kryn wrote
:
> Le 28/11/2018 à 10:35, Rick Moen a écrit :
>> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
[...]
> Hi Rick.
>
> It seems to me you're fighting to get the last bit of performance
> out of mechanical hard drives, including by using different
>
On 28/11/18 at 12:11, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 28/11/2018 à 11:25, Rick Moen a écrit :
>> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>>
>>> Le 28/11/2018 à 08:11, Rick Moen a écrit :
If I were relying on NFS during early boot, I'd file a bug against
package
nfs-common, and also, meanwhile,
On 28/11/18 at 12:45, KatolaZ wrote:
[...]
> Unfortunately, most of this thread has been just about "oh look how
> cool MY setup is, oh I went around that, oh I tried this and that, oh
> I want to have /var on a tmpfs, oh I mount /usr over NFS and you
> should try it as well..." and so on and
On 28/11/18 at 12:36, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>
>> IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early boot is
>> a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature* (~:
> My view, which I expressed in detail prior to Roger joining the thread,
>
On 28/11/18 at 11:37, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 28/11/2018 à 10:35, Rick Moen a écrit :
>> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>>
[...]
>>
> Hi Rick.
>
> It seems to me you're fighting to get the last bit of performance
> out of mechanical hard drives, including by using different
>
On 28/11/18 at 12:15, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> Why do you think ro, nodev, barrier, sync and other mount options do
> make sense on a RAID/LVM filesystem?
"... do NOT make sense ..."
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On 28/11/18 at 11:13, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 28/11/2018 à 08:11, Rick Moen a écrit :
>> If I were relying on NFS during early boot, I'd file a bug against
>> package
>> nfs-common, and also, meanwhile, compile a local-package substitute with
>> either static binaries or ones linked to libs in
On 28/11/18 at 10:02, Rick Moen wrote:
> Swap files were common in Linux systems of the early '90s, but then fell
> out of use because swap partitions has a perfomance advantage. But
> then, someone found and fixed the performnce gap in the 2000s. Most
> admins just don't remember the option
On 28/11/18 at 08:11, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
>
>> # ldd /sbin/mount.nfs | grep "/usr"
>> libgssapi_krb5.so.2 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgssapi_krb5.so.2
>> (0x7f82f53ac000)
>> libkrb5.so.3 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkrb5.so.3
>>
On 28/11/18 at 09:08, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> Can you name me one distribution other than Red Hat (which in
>> fact is not a desktop-friendly distribution) that does not allow one to
>> "do their own partition setup"?
> I'm curious,
Adam Borowski wrote:
>> Walking around Glasgow, you might find
>> the brogue bewildering, but in Amsterdam? Never.
>
> There are worse cases. There's a place called "London", where a sign says
> "Sloane Square" yet the station announcement (by a person paid to have clear
> diction) says "Ten
[Redirecting back to Dng. Hope you don't mind.]
Quoting Tom H (tomh0...@gmail.com):
> I've just read your post about /sbin
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg23646.html
>
> gdisk: It's become unnecessary as long as fdisk is installed because
> the latter has been able to
On 24/11/2018 15:08, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
Roger:
...
There's no clean separation between the "base" system and "everything else".
...
I think my urge to have a separate /usr is that I want such a
separation and there isn't a clear other place to have it.
Is there an underlying rationale
On 29/11/2018 13:44, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
Q: Isn't there some filesystem type that supports settings at a more
granular level than the device? Like directory or per file?
A: Eh ... Don't know. Haven't checked ...
Solution: Go fish!
# I haven't gone fishing yet but a vague recollection of
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:00:56 -0600
"Jamey Fletcher" wrote:
> No, it's because I'm po' - they done repossessed my r and my other
> o. To be fair, I'm not quite *that* poor - but $350+expenses for
> five days in Amsterdam ($75 a day, I expect?) is pretty much my
> discretionary spending for
Le 28/11/2018 à 16:12, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:11:25PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
Instead, it
seems /lib has become a holly directory where only the libc and the
dynamic
linker are allowed to live.
I do *not* mean this sarcastically; I am confused.
Is "holly" a new
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 04:00:03PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Adam:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> > > Also, don't sweat the language thing. Especially in the
> > > Netherlands where everyone seems to speak English with breathtaking
> > > acuity, you'd have
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 22:44:31 +0900
Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Stephan Seitz writes:
>
> > Maintainers are encouraged to install everything in /usr because it
> > must be available in early boot.
>
> Call me dumb but I totally, completely and utterly fail to understand
> why "Maintainers are
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:24:01 +0100
Stephan Seitz wrote:
> On Do, Nov 29, 2018 at 01:22:05 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >My understanding is that Devuan will ask in the fresh installer
> >whether the user wants to merge or not, with the default being no
> >merge. This is fine with me. Do you have a
Le 29/11/2018 à 14:44, Olaf Meeuwissen a écrit :
restrictions (think ro/nodev/nosuid) or tune performance (think
noatime).
You can mount / with nodev. Except if you absolutely want static
device files, /dev is now a mountpoint with device files managed either
by udev/eudev/vdev/mdev,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:57:21PM +0100, Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
>
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>
> On the fourth anniversary of the birth of Devuan,
> once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>
> # Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
>
> ## From Friday, April 5th
Quoting Rick Moen :
> Quoting Jamey Fletcher (ja...@beau.org):
>> Quoting Rick Moen :
>> I dunno about you, but I would certainly consider $340-500 a "very
>> expensive luxury".
> I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I often encounter fellow
> Americans who assume it would be far cheaper
Adam:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Also, don't sweat the language thing. Especially in the
> > Netherlands where everyone seems to speak English with breathtaking
> > acuity, you'd have zero problem. Walking around Glasgow, you might find
> > the brogue
On 29/11/2018 12:57, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
Roger:
...
Note that to return to the pre-merge policies would be an exercise in
futility. It was already an exercise in futility back in 2011 because
the number of libraries which /could/ be moved to /lib is an unbounded
set. There's always
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:05:19 +0100, Arnt wrote in message
<20181129100519.303dfc44@sda3>:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:34:27 +0100 (CET), k...@aspodata.se wrote in
> message <20181128213427.2e51f862a...@turkos.aspodata.se>:
>
> > Rich Moen:
> > > Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> >
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:34:24 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20181129123424.ojmbaljuam77m...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 09:18:38PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> > Hi Karl,
> >
> > k...@aspodata.se writes:
> >
> > > Rich Moen:
> > >> Quoting KatolaZ
Hi Stephan,
# Disclaimer: / and /usr live on the same partition on my systems.
# Heads up: I just might change that ... back to what I used to do.
Stephan Seitz writes:
> Maintainers are encouraged to install everything in /usr because it must
> be available in early boot.
Call me dumb but I
Roger:
...
> Note that to return to the pre-merge policies would be an exercise in
> futility. It was already an exercise in futility back in 2011 because
> the number of libraries which /could/ be moved to /lib is an unbounded
> set. There's always another tool which /might/ be required,
Rich Moen:
...
> You might have different criteria in mind, so please feel free to
> clarify, if so. My view is that executables in /sbin and /bin
> _required for maintenance in /usr's absence_ must not depend on /usr
> being mounted. Many executables somehow get installed there anyway;
>
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 09:18:38PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Hi Karl,
>
> k...@aspodata.se writes:
>
> > Rich Moen:
> >> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> > ...
> >> > # ldd /bin/ps | grep "/usr"
> >> > liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1
> >> >
On Do, Nov 29, 2018 at 01:22:05 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
My understanding is that Devuan will ask in the fresh installer whether
the user wants to merge or not, with the default being no merge. This
is fine with me. Do you have a problem with it?
Nope, but even Devuan will probably never
On 29/11/2018 10:21, Arnt Karlsen wrote:> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:26:59
+, Roger wrote in message
<38625727-08b2-2816-85b0-8f57d6796...@codelibre.net>:
This isn't a bug, or even a feature. It's a deliberate design
decision which affects the functioning of the system as a whole. I
Hi Karl,
k...@aspodata.se writes:
> Rich Moen:
>> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> ...
>> > # ldd /bin/ps | grep "/usr"
>> > liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1
>> > (0x7fd7f6ebc000)
>>
>> Yeah, those two are really annoying. FWIW, my server system has
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:44:35AM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2018-11-29 00:22, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that Devuan will ask in the fresh installer whether
> > the user wants to merge or not, with the default being no merge. This
> > is fine with me.
> >
>
> I
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
> ..the output from my "life boat" install of
> devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso
> is quite telling:
[snip]
My view: It's not necessarily problematic that something in /sbin or
/bin depends on /usr to function -- and most of the tools you list
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:26:59 +, Roger wrote in message
<38625727-08b2-2816-85b0-8f57d6796...@codelibre.net>:
> On 28/11/2018 11:36, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> >
> >> IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early
> >> boot is a *bug*",
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:34:27 +0100 (CET), k...@aspodata.se wrote in
message <20181128213427.2e51f862a...@turkos.aspodata.se>:
> Rich Moen:
> > Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> ...
> > > # ldd /bin/ps | grep "/usr"
> > > liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1
> > >
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Also, don't sweat the language thing. Especially in the
> Netherlands where everyone seems to speak English with breathtaking
> acuity, you'd have zero problem. Walking around Glasgow, you might find
> the brogue bewildering, but in
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 09:12:33PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:11:25 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>
> > IIUC, your argument boils down to "depending on /usr for early
> > boot is a *bug*", while Roger told us why it has become a *feature*
> > (~:
>
> I can think of
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