Re: [DNG] systemd greybeards

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 07:03:57PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: - wait, windows is stable enough to run a server on? :) I never said it was stable, but people think otherwise. It's kind of like US politics: The only people who care enough to go far are the ones you don't want. Lying, corrupt

Re: [DNG] systemd greybeards

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:30:06AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: I like this Slashdot comment: https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9525863=52702819 That is quite possibly the greatest burn I have ever seen. I still don't see the point of using containers, though. My spam folder is also _full_

Re: [DNG] Fearsome rumblings from GNU

know that, hence the use of `ls` in scripts. Once people do learn, they usually go back and fix it. It's just part of the "larval stage" of hacking. On Mon, Aug 08, 2016 at 10:23:54AM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote: On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 01:22:25PM -0400, Brian Nash wrote: I'

Re: [DNG] Fearsome rumblings from GNU

On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 08:00:17PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Debian was dilligent enough to revert the patch (half a year ago). Half a year ago? If that's true, then this must be old news, and I apologize. However, the messages concerning coreutils changes only appeared in my inbox

Re: [DNG] UMENU (v2)

What about the linux kconf menus? (`make menuconfig`) Once menuconfig is compiled, it is executed with a Kconfig file passed as an argument. It loads the file (and included files) very quickly, and the Kconfig files are _massive_. After it loads the file(s), it parses them, then determines what

Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.

On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 01:50:01PM +0100, ael wrote: On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 11:20:30AM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: NAK. I wouldn't count a language that uses whitepaces as language constructsanything near 'readable'. FWIW, -1. I have exactly the opposite experience and

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:59:16PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: That's exactly why I like Modula 3. You use structured code where that's good. You use objects and inheritance where that's good. You use interaes and modules where that's good. And all those are separate concepts that can be used

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:00:53PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: And last I heard, they were processing everything on magnetic tapes. It might be better for them to use a database on redundant, backed-up disk drives. Perhaps that's the motive for a rewrite, rather than it all being COBOL. If

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

I guess I'm learning COBOL then! C11 is a little too abstract anyway. (at least, GCC makes it abstract) On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 02:41:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Politics of IT in the U.S. government

Re: [DNG] OT: question about mailing lists

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 10:24:04AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Brian Nash (bcn...@gmail.com): Is this the way I am supposed to do it? Your MUA (mail user agent = e-mail client), even if it's only GMail's webmail interface, has _two_ distinct reply modes: reply-sender and reply-all. o

[DNG] OT: question about mailing lists

I recently replied to several threads on this list, and in many cases I forgot to CC the actual list, so the replies only went to one person. dng is actually the first mailing list I have ever used/contributed to, so I am not sure how I'm supposed to do a few things. Currently, I reply with the

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

This describes a problem I used to have perfectly. For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it in some way, even when it was unnecessary. This might be the root of all the problems we are facing with computers today: If we see a cool new feature, we have to find some

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

Is that file a full SD card image? Do you need a whole image? If not, then this might work: The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging systemd. My

Re: [DNG] problem with devuan merged repositories

Most of the past issues resolving devuan.org appear to be caused by ISPs. Not sure if there are "political" reasons for the failures, or if the registrar has anything to do with it. If you wait a while (maybe days), it will start working again. If you're in a hurry, try going somewhere else

Re: [DNG] Evolution of a Unix minimalist

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 09:43:25PM +0100, Teodoro Santoni wrote: Removes ATA controller because it's using statistical models of butterfly flying for writing on their hard disk [0]. I think there it's nothing wrong with it, too. [0] https://xkcd.com/378/ "A magnetized needle and a steady

Re: [DNG] Beware

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 06:07:28PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: "Linux kernel bug fixed" would be more appropriate. Is this why I have never heard of any "antivirus" software for linux? (Apart from clamav a while back...) The users are capable of fixing the vulnerabilities themselves, so a

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

Regardless of whether John is a troll, this list seems to be tearing itself apart at the slightest provocation. Perhaps people here are more stressed than they let on. Perhaps _certain people_ should cut them some slack. On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 08:16:09PM +, Rowland Penny wrote: On

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package

That's nice and all, but isn't this thread getting off topic? -- Help the world without doing anything: signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package

wicd seems to work perfectly fine for me, although I mostly use the ncurses and GTK interfaces. I never did figure out (or remember) how to use wpa_supplicant, although IIRC connecting to a wifi network is just two commands. Darnit, now I'm going to spend my whole weekend re-learning it, only

Re: [DNG] Distros using Devuan as their base

There is "antiX": On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:11:23PM -, dev1fanboy wrote: >So far I've noticed there are two distros using Devuan as their base, > >refracta and exe gnu/linux > >Are there others anyone is aware of at the moment? > >

[DNG] Joining Devuan

Greetings. I have been a Debian user for quite a while, and like many others, switched to Devuan after the systemd fiasco. I would like to help with the development/maintenance of Devuan, but I am unsure as to how. Would you care for my assistance, and if so, how could I help? signature.asc