Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

2017-02-23 Thread David Hare
Didn't mean to actually suggest TDE for any default nor that the main focus should be other than getting Devuan Jessie ready. XFCE4 is fine (for now). Just pointing out, TDE has an extensive application set (including an office suit) with no need of gtk -anything (they forked qt3 for it) nor syste

Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

2017-02-22 Thread David Hare
Probably only TDE/TQT.. which almost nobody seems to have noticed. On 22/02/2017, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 08:55:54PM +, Dave Turner wrote: >> >Thankfully the Clearlooks-Phenix-Purpy theme still handles synaptic >> > etc.in >> jessie. >> >We may have to rethink the defaul

Re: [DNG] apt-cacher-ng

2017-01-30 Thread David Hare
Repo version requires libsystemd0 but recompiled here without (not difficult) and working normally. D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] os-prober will now detect Devuan installations

2017-01-20 Thread David Hare
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=801631 Not tested it yet but it's now marked as fixed. Devuan should now display correctly in grub menus without need for "hacks". Cheers, D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.d

[DNG] osprober will now detect Devuan installations

2017-01-20 Thread David Hare
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=801631 Not tested it yet but it's now marked as fixed. Devuan should now display correctly in our grub menus without need for "hacks". D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.

Re: [DNG] ConsoleKit2

2017-01-11 Thread David Hare
My packages, with sources, are posted here: http://exegnulinux.net/apt/pool/main/c/consolekit2/ They could probably do with some "tidying up" from someone with better packaging experience than myself. David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

[DNG] ConsoleKit2

2017-01-10 Thread David Hare
Apparently due to the systemd agenda of it's original maintainers, ConsoleKit is "deprecated". https://mail.gnome.org/archives/distributor-list/2012-January/msg2.html Consolekit2 is forked and actively maintained by XFCE4 maintainer Eric Koegel. https://consolekit2.github.io/ConsoleKit2/ It

Re: [DNG] eudev status

2016-12-26 Thread David Hare
in future. Please do post the deb packages. Thanks Anto, you did a great job. Next.. consolekit2? http://exegnulinux.net/nosystemd/pool/main/c/consolekit/ On 25/12/2016, Anto wrote: > > On 24/12/16 22:17, David Hare wrote: >>> Thanks David. Do you maintain the source of yo

Re: [DNG] eudev status

2016-12-24 Thread David Hare
From memory, my eudev package builds were named *udev* not *eudev* because of problems with "provides:" not being enough to satisfy udev dependency requirements of other packages. I even tried "dummy" udev packages at one point but that seemed messy. On 24/12/2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat,

Re: [DNG] eudev status

2016-12-24 Thread David Hare
> Thanks David. Do you maintain the source of your eudev package on a git > repository? If so, would it be possible to share that with us? > No. All there is are the debs and sources posted earlier. It's really a one-off, I don't have the required time and skills to actually "maintain" it. antiX

Re: [DNG] eudev status

2016-12-23 Thread David Hare
Anto, you are the 4th to attempt eudev packaging (including me). Dimitri Puzin began this but did not finish the job. It's one thing to get something new working but to be on the case of it's continued maintenance is much more. Actually, I didn't know till now you were doing this and the only work

Re: [DNG] Caching binary .deb packages

2016-06-06 Thread David Hare
>I do mind that it wants libsystemd0 Seems there are only "unofficial" apt-cacher-ng nosystemd builds at the moment, mine is here: http://www.exegnulinux.net/nosystemd/pool/main/a/apt-cacher-ng/ .. Maybe Adam's repo has one also. Or build your own. Although I prefer to not to use 3rd-party repos

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-20 Thread David Hare
Interesting experiment.. I repacked fsr's iso (otherwise unmodified) using the initrd from the devuan-minimal-beta. That initrd was also repacked and xz-compressed (now 8.5MB). I booted it "findiso" (from iso file on an ext4 partition) with a "live-hook" script, which automatically loads my speci

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread David Hare
Did "real" installations, both the original and the beta (bios machine). Went fast and flawlessly in both cases with refractainstaller. However, the "beta" failed to boot (to that installation) with a kernel panic.. update-grub had failed to configure /boot/initrd_devuan.img I made an entry in /e

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread David Hare
n Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:44:23AM +0100, David Hare wrote: >>> What is ${netconfig_opt} in live.cfg? >>> >> >> It's coming from refracta, I guess. It should probably be removed in >> the future. > > Yes, ${netconfig_opt} is from refractasnapshot and can

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread David Hare
Boruch, the iso boots from isolinux, (isolinux/live.cfg), grub is not involved. My notes (so far): What is ${netconfig_opt} in live.cfg? What is udevuan.cfg? "vga=792" may fail in some case, probably best not set as default Menu entry "(nofb)": Runlevel 3 has no special meaning for this iso (R

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-16 Thread David Hare
t anyone using older versions. Note newer (e.g. backport) kernels need newer live-* (aufs was dropped for overlay) D On 16 May 2016 at 13:34, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:15:40PM +0100, David Hare wrote: >> KatolaZ, FYI, I noticed your iso has empty /dev and a patched >&

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-16 Thread David Hare
KatolaZ, FYI, I noticed your iso has empty /dev and a patched /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init (and uses an older refracta-snapshot).. That patch was a workaround in refracta-snapshot for bug(s) which only last week got officially noted. The original file is still there but renamed (this only affec

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-14 Thread David Hare
+1 for ditching Zenity in all cases. It's gnome/gtk3 dependencies have become monstrous and has very little in the way of new features in recent "development". Yad has been described as "zenity on steroids" but does not depend on a load of gnome. Yad is actually now in Debian Sid. We've been

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-14 Thread David Hare
actly the same input files. D On 14 May 2016 at 13:25, David Hare wrote: > The standard Debian initrd has grown enormously since the days of squeeze.. > > The devuan-minimal iso's initrd is 27.1 MB gzip-compressed, 18.6 > xz-compressed and.. 186.1MB unpacked! > > Far as I kno

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-14 Thread David Hare
cta (with e17, put together by > meandean) and whatever version of Antix was current then with only 64mb ram > on hardware. Has the initrd grown that much since then? > > > On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 7:32 AM, David Hare wrote: >> >> I look forward to your findings on initrd and

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-14 Thread David Hare
:45:31AM +0100, David Hare wrote: >> KatolaZ, you may be interested to know, I repacked your iso to 199MB >> (with no actual system modifications) by using xz compression for the >> squashfs and initrd. The result booted fine in qemu. The extra >> decompression time is only a

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-14 Thread David Hare
KatolaZ, you may be interested to know, I repacked your iso to 199MB (with no actual system modifications) by using xz compression for the squashfs and initrd. The result booted fine in qemu. The extra decompression time is only a few seconds. On 14 May 2016 at 08:34, aitor_czr wrote: > > > On 05

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-13 Thread David Hare
a fat-fomatted live usb (if you use syslinux,for now a dummy /isolinux/isolinux.cfg in the usb's root is needed ) D On 13 May 2016 at 16:27, David Hare wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 01:46:20AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: >>> David Hare wrote: >>> > This and similar live iso

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-13 Thread David Hare
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 01:46:20AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: >> David Hare wrote: >> > This and similar live iso's only work here in qemu with e.g. " -m 384". >> > >> > My hardware can't handle kvm. >> >> Even running as root? >&g

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-13 Thread David Hare
This and similar live iso's only work here in qemu with e.g. " -m 384". My hardware can't handle kvm. D On 13 May 2016 at 10:16, Jaromil wrote: > > > ahoy, > > On Wed, 11 May 2016, KatolaZ wrote: > >> The results of those experiments can be found here: >> >> http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/ > > h

Re: [DNG] USB file transfer to your Android device

2016-05-11 Thread David Hare
Using jmtpfs on more than one "real" Devuan installs, no problem mounting mtp android. Here even libsystemd0 is excluded. I do have (only) a few of Adam's packages installed but doubt if that makes any difference. D On 11 May 2016 at 17:37, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2016 17:12:21 +0100

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-11 Thread David Hare
Nice, well done. I always keep an installed minimal system. Only got it going in qemu so far.. free -m (for what it's worth) shows 130 used (5 17 74 shared buffers cache) Had to guess user login and pw, it was devuan devuan. Couldn't get root. You forgot to put "username=devuan" on the cmdline! I

Re: [DNG] Fwd: live-boot is marked for autoremoval from testing

2016-05-09 Thread David Hare
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823856 Seems it's been reassigned to util-linux.. "'mount -o move' does not work with virtual filesystems" That explains a lot. Our minimal fixed /dev was enough that things still worked even if the move failed. On 9

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-08 Thread David Hare
Thanks Daniel.. note (others) that /etc/default/grub needs sorting also, although nothing to do with os-prober. The Debian version is enough, don't know why it's different in devuan (except the very elegant gfx theme, that's where it has to be referenced) On 9 May 2016 at 01:45, Joel Roth w

Re: [DNG] Fwd: live-boot is marked for autoremoval from testing

2016-05-08 Thread David Hare
>This sounds a bit like the problem we were having with Refracta when >util-linux got upgraded to 2.25. One of the fixes for that was to populate >/dev in filesystem.squashfs. I see that the solydxkee iso has an empty >/dev in the squashfs Yes.. a minimal static /dev, in exactly the same way that

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-08 Thread David Hare
pauses near the end, while the target partition > is still mounted, allowing do do any manual tweaks or edits. > > > On 8 May 2016 at 18:12, fsmithred wrote: >> On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote: >>>> please test also the install and other functionalities >

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-08 Thread David Hare
fsmithred wrote: > On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote: >>> please test also the install and other functionalities >> >> OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on >> real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-08 Thread David Hare
Next test .. run refractasnapshot on my new install, while it's still clean. Writing now from a "live session" of the resulting ISO, no apparent problem whatsoever. D On 8 May 2016 at 13:07, fsmithred wrote: > On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote: >>> pleas

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-08 Thread David Hare
echo 'GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`' >> /etc/default/grub Sorted, menu now shows "Devuan" after update-grub. This file is also missing some other (mostly commented but informative) lines. On 8 May 2016 at 12:24, David Hare w

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-08 Thread David Hare
ember just now how I fixed that on my other install.. On 8 May 2016 at 11:05, fsmithred wrote: > On 05/07/2016 08:36 PM, David Hare wrote: >> >> http://refracta.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=569 >> > > SPOILER ALERT!!! For anyone who didn't follow th

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-07 Thread David Hare
Testing this here with most impressive results! Some of us have been doing devuan-based live images since the beginning. This is probably the first without core system packages from 3rd-party repos ( the refracta snapshot and installer utilities are not actually "core system components"). Anyone w

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-27 Thread David Hare
Problem to come with pmount is, it doesn't seem to be maintained any longer. I use version 0.9.99-alpha-1 (in experimental at 25 Mar 2011, still there, install to Jessie). That one handles "loopback" and luks files, far as I know earlier versions did not, or not properly. D On 27 April 2016 at 13

Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

2016-04-27 Thread David Hare
but still no scrolling. >> > >> > also: >> > >> > lsmod|grep -iE "apple|cyapa|sermouse|synap|psmouse|vsxx|bcm" >> > btbcm 16384 1 btusb >> > bluetooth 516096 24 bnep,btbcm,btrtl,btusb,btintel >

Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

2016-04-26 Thread David Hare
repo > somewhere I can use or do I need to build it myself? > > /fuumind > > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:27:39 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 02:01:46AM +0100, David Hare wrote: >> > On 26 April 2016 at 02:00, David Hare wrote: >&g

Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

2016-04-25 Thread David Hare
On 26 April 2016 at 02:00, David Hare wrote: > I recently did a devuan-based install on a quite new Dell laptop. > Many things did not work properly (sound, wlan, touchpad). A newer > "backport" kernel sorted it all. > > On 25 April 2016 at 20:19, fuumind wrote: >&g

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-25 Thread David Hare
gvfs* builds and works (at least for Jessie) without *systemd* deps, I have done it. I now use Adam's version (posted at angband.pl) for XFCE. My TDE systems don't need gvfs (nor anything else GTK) to handle usb mounts and "trash". My "debian purist" attitude against custom and 3rd-party builds, a

Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-23 Thread David Hare
ove That's just what I did, not advice to anyone. If there is a better solution than the above, please post it. On 23 April 2016 at 11:52, David Hare wrote: > Thanks Daniel, the dmo packages seem no longer in the repo. I want to > to clean it all up and reinstall to current versions but

[DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-23 Thread David Hare
Thanks Daniel, the dmo packages seem no longer in the repo. I want to to clean it all up and reinstall to current versions but that means "downgrade". This gets quite complex as some depend on others: :/# dpkg -l|grep "\-dmo"|grep "^ii"|awk '{print $2 "\t\t" $3}' ffmpeg 10:2.6.5-dmo1 lame

[DNG] Fwd: mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-23 Thread David Hare
ove That's just what I did, not advice to anyone. If there is a better solution than the above, please post it. On 21 April 2016 at 19:12, Noel Torres wrote: > David Hare escribió: > >> What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this? > > > This is one of the points

Re: [DNG] list of live-cds and distros based on Devuan

2016-04-23 Thread David Hare
Both Exe GNU/Linux and Refracta have the "refractasnapshot" utility, which creates a custom live image. I don't know if antiX is actually Devuan-based but recent ones are Jessie without systemd and with eudev. David On 23 April 2016 at 10:49, dev1fanboy wrote: > Forgot to add, there were some l

Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-21 Thread David Hare
Another reference: https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719 On 21 April 2016 at 11:43, David Hare wrote: > I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error: > > :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' > mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg >

[DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

2016-04-21 Thread David Hare
I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error: :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg versions. This won't work and will most likely crash at some point. Exiting. This took me quite some time to debug. The reason appears to be incompatibil

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-26 Thread David Hare
Running TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) here, on a Devuan bootstrap base. For anyone who didn't know, it is the community-maintained kde3 fork. It works very well, ram usage on startup little over 100MB. Also forked was qt3 (now tqt). There are no gtk nor qt4 dependencies unless you want to add

Re: [DNG] A Devuan install CD (aitor_czr)

2015-11-08 Thread David Hare
On 07/11/15 22:27, Scienceof Atomics wrote: I've just purchased a 13-DVD set of Debian Jessie, and also burnt myself a copy of ExeGnuLinux, which combines Debian with the Trinity project, aiming to keep alive the KDE 3.5 desktop: http://exegnulinux.net/ EGL is planning a move to Devuan, which

Re: [DNG] hplip package status

2015-10-22 Thread David Hare
On 22/10/15 15:45, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Sam, Actually hplip depends only on libsystemd0. You can uninstall systemd-shim, libpam-systemd and systemd. Cheers, Aitor. You sure about that? *systemd* is excluded in my apt preferences (however I do use angband.pl) It seems to come from a dep of a

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread David Hare
On 17/10/15 19:50, aitor_czr wrote: I wasn't aware! Thanks, Aitor. On 17/10/15 19:18, Dragan FOSS wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: >>On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: >>>Hi, >>> >>>Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires sy

Re: [DNG] os-prober detects Devuan as "Unknown Linux Distribution"

2015-10-12 Thread David Hare
On 05/10/15 22:25, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 08:19:10PM +0100, David Hare wrote: Don't know if there is an "official" plan to sort this. It is an annoyance that os-prober (normally run at update-grub) detects my (bootstrap-installed) Devuan as "Unknow

Re: [DNG] About the experimental live DVD

2015-10-12 Thread David Hare
Add to 'live-config' a file '/etc/config/config.conf' containig, for example: LIVE_HOSTNAME=devuan LIVE_USERNAME=user LIVE_USER_FULLNAME="User" LIVE_USER_DEFAULT_GROUPS="cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev fuse bluetooth netdev scanner" What live-config manpage says (and

Re: [DNG] os-prober detects Devuan as "Unknown Linux Distribution"

2015-10-05 Thread David Hare
On 05/10/15 22:25, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 08:19:10PM +0100, David Hare wrote: Don't know if there is an "official" plan to sort this. It is an annoyance that os-prober (normally run at update-grub) detects my (bootstrap-installed) Devuan as "Unknow

[DNG] os-prober detects Devuan as "Unknown Linux Distribution"

2015-10-05 Thread David Hare
Don't know if there is an "official" plan to sort this. It is an annoyance that os-prober (normally run at update-grub) detects my (bootstrap-installed) Devuan as "Unknown Linux Distribution" then that's what you get in grub menu. This is fixed here by adding after line 23 of /usr/lib/os-prob

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-10-04 Thread David Hare
Some observations, testing netman. I have a (devuan-based) installation running eudev. The (usb) wireless device shows as wlan0 and netman works fine. As this machine is a fixed tower it doesn't normally need netman gui so my autostart calls this, and it works: xterm -title "Connecting to ne

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread David Hare
Thanks Edward for your great effort, commitment and persistence and Aitor for packaging. I have yet to work out how to automatically connect on boot. A manpage is needed. An installation and some live images here use (self-compiled) eudev. The wireless inteface is not necessarily wlanx but a

Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager

2015-08-27 Thread David Hare
On 27/08/15 15:09, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:58:14 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: On Tue, 2015-08-25 at 17:29 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Sun 26 July 2015 23:18:58 Steve Litt wrote: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk,

[Dng] vdev compatibility

2015-06-08 Thread David Hare
Question for Jude: I use the live-boot tools a lot and make live-images. The live-boot scripts, which go in initramfs, rely a lot on udev and commands like "blkid -o udev".. Will vdev, when ready, have compatibility for such cases? Thanks for all your good work. I'm actually using eudev at

Re: [Dng] upgrade problem

2015-06-08 Thread David Hare
Fixed in bash-completion 1:2.1-4.1+devuan2. Thanks, nextime! Cheers, Urban Fixed here. Thanks. ii bash-completion 1:2.1-4.1+devuan2 ii bsdutils 1:2.26.2-6+devuan1 ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 ii util-linux 2.26.2-6+devuan1 ii util-linux-locales 2.25.2-6.0nosystemd1 D _

Re: [Dng] upgrade problem

2015-06-08 Thread David Hare
On 08/06/15 13:58, David Hare wrote: I removed bash-completion and then installed it again from devuan/jessie and got this error: Preparing to unpack .../bash-completion_1%3a2.1-4.1+devuan1_all.deb ... Unpacking bash-completion (1:2.1-4.1+devuan1) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var

Re: [Dng] upgrade problem

2015-06-08 Thread David Hare
I removed bash-completion and then installed it again from devuan/jessie and got this error: Preparing to unpack .../bash-completion_1%3a2.1-4.1+devuan1_all.deb ... Unpacking bash-completion (1:2.1-4.1+devuan1) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/bash-completion_1%3a2.1-

Re: [Dng] upgrade problem

2015-06-07 Thread David Hare
root@exe-jessv:/# apt install bash-completion WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface yet. Use with caution in scripts. Reading package lists... Building dependency tree... Reading state information... The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:

Re: [Dng] Need some advice to compile consolekit2 for amd64

2015-06-05 Thread David Hare
On 05/06/15 07:49, Edward Bartolo wrote: I am trying to compile ConsoleKit2 source for amd64 but I am getting this error: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libdbus-glib-1-dev (>= 0.30) libudev-dev libx11-dev (>= 1.0.0) xmlto libpolkit-gobject-1-dev (>= 0.92) Is it safe to install t

Re: [Dng] Is it useful to create a .so file to replace functions imported from libsystemd & Co.?

2015-05-18 Thread David Hare
On 18/05/15 15:08, Edward Bartolo wrote: Did you modify the source code for consolekit2. If you downloaded the source, could you tell me from where and what you did? Thanks. http://exegnulinux.net/nosystemd/pool/main/c/consolekit/ Sources included for your inspection/modification. This is an

Re: [Dng] Is it useful to create a .so file to replace functions imported from libsystemd & Co.?

2015-05-18 Thread David Hare
On 18/05/15 12:20, Edward Bartolo wrote: My XFCE4 installation in Devuan cannot shutdown or restart as these options for some reason unknown to me are greyed out. Works here (as does suspend and usb mounts from thunar) without *systemd*.. but installed are "nosystemd" versions of policykit-1

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-17 Thread David Hare
On 17/05/15 14:55, Jaret Cantu wrote: I looked into finding a way to make eudev provide the udev packages elegantly Unfortunately you can't use "provides" with a version tag.. Other packages might depend udev (=> x.y.x). The only solution seems to use a dummy. D ___

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-17 Thread David Hare
On 17/05/15 14:55, Jaret Cantu wrote: On 05/17/2015 09:20 AM, David Hare wrote: The problem is: installing "eudev" in init.d because it provides "udev" which already exists. Installing the dummy udev (needed to satisfy deps of other packages) does not remove existing conffi

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-17 Thread David Hare
Maybe a "template" for the dummy with a warning and option to exit and deal with it in preinst is the answer. At the moment I need to use dpkg -P --force-all on existing udev components manually, first. Otherwise, (simpler) perhaps name the initscript "udev" instead, not tried yet. This is

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-17 Thread David Hare
On 17/05/15 14:08, Jaret Cantu wrote: On 05/17/2015 08:51 AM, David Hare wrote: Running (Devuan-based-) Jessie. Here, eudev 3.0.0 installs and runs successfully using Dimitri's debian/ with some modifications. It builds also on 2.1.1 source like that. I have also made a working live-

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-17 Thread David Hare
Great work Jaret, thanks. Testing yours here today. I see you took a different approach to Dimitri, who based debian/ on udev 1.7.5 (the last one before systemd assimilation) Running (Devuan-based-) Jessie. Here, eudev 3.0.0 installs and runs successfully using Dimitri's debian/ with some mo

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-13 Thread David Hare
While we're waiting for vdev (that does look like the way to go) I revisited eudev, which I never managed to get working in a usable way. Did much better this time after some not too major hacking of the source posted on devuan git, mostly "rules" and "patches". I now got it working seemingly

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-05 Thread David Hare
The decision in Debian to default the init system to systemd is the main reason to fork Debian in the first place. Not exactly.. The reason is Debian's decision to *require* systemd with the only alternative a crippled OS. What is "default" matters less.. D

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-05 Thread David Hare
On 05/05/15 12:48, Noel Torres wrote: Didier Kryn escribió: [...] I bet every service daemon package would now provide a .service file, just like everyone used to provide an init script. As far as I understand, the .service files are the systemd counterpart of sysvinit scripts. I imagine

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-05 Thread David Hare
On 05/05/15 11:57, Anto wrote: I pinned *systemd* packages into Pin-Priority: -1, and re-compiled cron package without anything related to systemd. But there is still /lib/systemd/system/cron.service file as we can see below. Which package actually generates all of the files and directories u

Re: [Dng] I used Devuan's debootstrap and installed Devuan. :)

2015-05-03 Thread David Hare
On 03/05/15 21:24, Anto wrote: On 03/05/15 06:31, Edward Bartolo wrote: The command I used: debootstrap --arch amd64 jessie /mnt/sda8 http://packages.devuan.org/merged /mnt/sda8 is the partition where Devuan was installed. I will now start testing Devuan. Hello Edward, I also tried the i

Re: [Dng] still failing to install Devuan through debootstrap

2015-05-02 Thread David Hare
On 02/05/15 08:05, Edward Bartolo wrote: I downloaded debootstrap's source from: https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/debootstrap and built a .deb package on Debian Testing. Then, I used the freshly installed debootstrap to install Devuan as follows: # debootstrap --arch amd64 jessie /mnt/sda8 h

Re: [Dng] Feedback installing Devuan through debootstrap in Debian Testing.

2015-05-01 Thread David Hare
I did notice that http://angband.pl/debian/ is quite active and does publish sources. In addition to Devuan this is (almost) enough to get a fully-functional systemd-free (except *** udev) Jessie with xfce4. Whoever you are maintains it, thanks from me at least.. __

Re: [Dng] Feedback installing Devuan through debootstrap in Debian Testing.

2015-05-01 Thread David Hare
On 01/05/15 10:18, Jaromil wrote: dear David, On Fri, 01 May 2015, David Hare wrote: Thanks! I just tested the new debootstrap (same opts as before). There were no such errors in the bootstrap nor subsequent manual chroot. Later yesterday, the gpg error seemed to resolve itself during

Re: [Dng] Feedback installing Devuan through debootstrap in Debian Testing.

2015-04-30 Thread David Hare
On 01/05/15 01:32, Franco Lanza wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 01:44:47AM +0100, David Hare wrote: debootstrap --exclude systemd,systemd-sysv,libsystemd0 jessie . without specifying a URL is working here (are the excludes needed?) However after I chroot it and apt update: W: GPG error: http

Re: [Dng] Feedback installing Devuan through debootstrap in Debian Testing.

2015-04-29 Thread David Hare
debootstrap --exclude systemd,systemd-sysv,libsystemd0 jessie . without specifying a URL is working here (are the excludes needed?) However after I chroot it and apt update: W: GPG error: http://packages.devuan.org jessie InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 94532124541922

Re: [Dng] Live ISO's (Jessie with no systemd)

2015-04-16 Thread David Hare
There appears to be no root password in the xfce image. There's only an asterisk in /etc/shadow. Maybe my mistake, there was meant to be. However should work (from where you can set a root password if wanted) That's the usual debian-live type setup anyway. For anyone interested in

Re: [Dng] Live ISO's (Jessie with no systemd)

2015-04-16 Thread David Hare
Don't know why but some of my posts didn't seem to make the mailing list properly so will try again! On 13/04/15 13:57, David Hare wrote: On 13/04/15 06:19, Franco Lanza wrote: What about being devuan maintainers and contribute those packages to devuan? Well, my intention is

Re: [Dng] Story: Debian Jessie laptop without systemd

2015-04-15 Thread David Hare
On 15/04/15 17:39, Franco Lanza wrote: systemd-shim is for who don't want to have systemd in pid 1 but accept other systemd components. We don't want systemd at all. +1. My /etc/apt/preferences.d/01systemd: Package: *systemd* Pin: origin "" Pin-Priority: -1 Yes, that also excludes libsystemd

[Dng] Live ISO's (Jessie with no systemd)

2015-04-12 Thread David Hare
I posted two new live iso's with no *systemd* (yes that means also no libsystemd0) with installers and remaster tools: xfce4 (Refracta-based): http://www.exegnulinux.net/refracta/iso/ Trinity Desktop Environment (the fork of KDE3): http://www.exegnulinux.net/downloads/jessie/ Some debs here