Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

Alessandro Selli said: > I'd like to point out that including proprietary drivers does > not address any of the issues Robert Storey described: > > 1) no WiFi support in the install program; > 2) no DHCP autoconfiguration using a wired Ethernet connection; > 3) Wicd missing

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

I wrote: > Refracta saved the day! Thank goodness it exists, or else I would > not be able to install Devuan on any of my machines. Please note > that with Refracta, I did not need to set up networking at all > during the installation, but Wicd was there on the first boot and > getting wifi

Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch

Hi all, I think this idea of having a Clearlooks option is fine. It would be a nice feature to boast about for the next release (version 8.1?). > Only problem I see with that is that refracta is pared down to fit on a cd so there might not be room to do it that way. I'm of the opinion that

[DNG] Devuan 1.0 final release?

Greetings All, By now I'm sure all with an interest in Devuan have seen the review of Refracta that I wrote for DistroWatch. A few of you knew in advance that I was working on this article, and sent me technical tips and advice before it was published. Thank you for this assistance - indeed, it

Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want to devote too much time and effort to this...just one more good reason for

[DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

Hi everyone. I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is not (yet) an accomplished Linux geek, but he's been learning very fast. He's not real well-off financially, so his two computers are old i386 laptops donated by friends. Neither of these machines has a workable CD or DVD drive (ie one is a

Re: [DNG] vdev - the next generation

Just want to say Ralph that your work on this is really appreciated. I consider vdev to be one of the most important projects going. I wish I was more competent at development work, because I'd like to help with it. When you get to scanner support, I'm going to definitely get more involved with

[DNG] Subject: Re: Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over

Subject: Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:25:36 -0400 > From: Steve Litt > > I just voted again, "ready to use" again. I'm able to vote multiple > times because I'm originally from Chicago. Actually, I really do believe that Devuan

Re: [DNG] vdev

> From: Ralph Ronnquist > > If it's any help, I've uploaded a bash script as > www.realthing.com.au/files/vdev/install-gnuinos.vdev.sh which steps > through all the steps for installing the gnuinos vdev bundle for a > pristine Devuan 1.0.0 installation. It documents

Re: [DNG] vdev

Hi All, OK, I use Devuan as my main get-work-done distro, so I don't want to risk accidentally nuking it. Therefore, I just installed another copy of Devuan into a different partition. This is my experimental Devuan - I'm all ready to play with vdev now. Before I pull the trigger, I need to

Re: [DNG] vdev

> I have to do some work now, I look forward to the packages. Maybe you > can add a small README.txt for those who are willing to test vdev. Yes please. A small README.TXT explaining what we have to do to set up and install vdev will work wonders at attracting testers. Having to sift through the

Re: [DNG] vdev

> From: richard lucassen > Subject: Re: [DNG] vdev > > So, please join the Group Of Three who are testing vdev. Without vdev > or any other standalone udev version Devuan is stillborn. This whole > vdev beast is much more complicated than a single daemon. We need >

Re: [DNG] Oh, how I hate systemd

> From: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" > > Oh, BTW, I wonder when they merge gconf into systemd and so make that > bad registry idea (which was one of the major reason of many people > switching to unix/linux) mandatory ... > >> Making /etc, the equivalent of the

Re: [DNG] openvpn systemd

This got me wondering...do you we have a How-To for setting up OpenVPN on Devuan? I'm using wicd for my Internet connection, which as I understand doesn't support OpenVPN directly, but there is supposed to be a way to make it work. I haven't investigated that thoroughly, but when I google "openvpn

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

golinux said: > Thanks for reminding me about reisuo/b. Is reisuo/b really enabled on devuan by > default? Seems like I tried it a while back and it didn't work. So I checked > /etc/sysctl.conf and the line needed wasn't there (neither was there any other > uncommented line). So my question is

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

Didier Kryn said: > In any case, any person who has the possibility to push the power > button or cut the power cord should be given the opportunity to click > the halt button instead. ctrl-alt-f1+ctrl-alt-del can be used to > reboot, but there's nothing to halt. I'd actually forgotten

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

I think I understand the issue well enough to sum it up nicely, so if no one objects, should I just go ahead and file a bug report? If we're about to dump Slim for lxdm or lightdm or whatever, I needn't bother, but if we plan to keep Slim for release 1.0, I'd like to see the issue addressed. Looks

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) > Robert Storey <robert.sto...@gmail.com> >> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC) >> From: Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com> >> >>>From /usr/share/doc/slim/README : >> >>Special usernames (comm

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC) > From: Go Linux > >>From /usr/share/doc/slim/README : > >Special usernames (commands configurable in the config file): >- console: start console login >- exit: exit SLiM >- halt: halt the system >- reboot:

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

; Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 01:26:45 + > schrieb Robert Storey <robert.sto...@gmail.com>: >> Hi Robert! >> >> Note that my following comments apply only to a graphical install, >> full-desktop version, which is actually the only kind I've attempted >> so I can't say

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

> > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:21:20 +0200 > From: > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails > Message-ID: <20160615112120.5a0ca29a.emnin...@riseup.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 01:26:45 + >

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:50:55 +0200 wrote: > Hi all. > > I have an urgent problem with the Devuan Jessie 1.0 installer: > > When it comes to install the basic system at a certain point the > installation stops with an error. On console 4 i see the following > error msg: > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 11:51:38 + > From: hellekin > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch > Message-ID: <57501dca.6090...@dyne.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Today Devuan is number #91 on DistroWatch.com! We made it to

Re: [DNG] Converting audio to AAC using Soundconverter

> From: Adam Borowski > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: Re: [DNG] Converting audio to AAC using Soundconverter > > Re: [DNG] Converting audio to AAC using Soundconverter > If your target machine is anything non-ancient, you want opus, it thoroughly > beats both mp3 and aac

[DNG] encryption

Maybe we had this discussion before and I missed it. I did a Google search and didn't find it. Anyway, here is my question... I want to create one encrypted folder on my hard drive. I don't necessarily need heavy-duty industrial-strength encryption, but "secure" is nice. Reliability is very

Re: [DNG] what Emacs really is, jokes aside.

Just for fun... Not everyone knows this, but Emacs can be your psychiatrist. If you haven't tried it yet, take a look at "doctor" https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDoctor ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] what Emacs really is, jokes aside.

> Emacs is an excellent user interface, development environment, and > desktop for ancient, text-only terminals. That's what it was for back > in the day. That's what it still is. > > But people seem to be able to afford better terminals For me, Emacs is a lot more than a development

Re: [DNG] Evince

I'd love to install Atril, but after an "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" it's no longer in the repositories for AntiX. I'm not sure why that is. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

For whatever it's worth, I'm fully supportive of the idea of defaulting to a simpler init system such as S6, Epoch, Runit, you-name-it. I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I tend to think the sort of people who are attracted to Devuan see the virtue of simplicity. The main reason why we

[DNG] supersized torrent

If I wasn't so befuddled with that devuan.org blocking issue by my ISP, I would have mentioned this earlier. There was the following post on Distrowatch, and my reply (as user "Paraquat"): 27 • @24 Devuan (by Paraquat on 2016-05-02 15:37:11 GMT from Asia) >24 • Devuan (by Napoli Bona > on

Re: [DNG] My ISP is blocking devuan.org

Whoops, right after I sent my message, I see the post from BohwaZ > Same problem here in Australia, ISP is Optus. Haven't been working > since the new website/beta. > > The problem is with your provider routing apparently: Ah, so it's NOT only Chunghwa Telecom. About that "systemd bomb"...who

Re: [DNG] My ISP is blocking devuan.org

Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > > Check for possible accidental causes - routing issues, PMTU blackholes, and > other oddities that could be innocent mistakes - never assume malice when > stupidity will do. Hi Stephanie, and thanks for the reply. It may well be an innocent mistake on someone's

Re: [DNG] Beta

> > Yes! Thank you! It's good to see devuan.org now goes to beta.devuan.org. > Good stuff. Sadly, all I'm getting is this message: "This webpage is not available" But still hoping to see the beta soon. Can't wait to install it. cheers, Robert ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Debian is no longer GNU/Linux?

> Lars Noodén wrote: > > I ran into minor graphics problems last year when I tried Debian > GNU/kFreeBSD on a notebook, but other than that it seems good to go. If > I had servers, I would be running it already. Though I am only keeping > half an eye on it for now, but do plan to at least try

[DNG] Subject: Re: useradd defaults

>> I'm getting a bit uncomfortable about starting this thread, because upon >> reflection, it seems that one consequence of setting the system-wide may >> be that the 027 umask will end up having some system account creating a >> file that should be world-readable or world-executable, but because

Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)

> Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: >> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and >> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of >> the maintainers and the interest of members of the

Re: [DNG] Speaking of Window Managers

Steve Litt wrote: ‎ >>Here's info on dmenu: > >dmenu is made by suckless.org: >http://tools.suckless.org/dmenu/ > >>Hotkey to bring up Dmenu? > >Alt+p, default in dwm (and some other). > >Hotkey to bring up window list sorted by workspace? Just one thing I want to say about hotkeys, is that it

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

> From: Clarke Sideroad > To: "dng@lists.dyne.org" > Subject: Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires > libsystemd0 > Message-ID: <56ac51e1.6020...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > In a similar

Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop

With desktop computers, it's not too hard to find one with FreeDos installed by default, or no OS. Linux usually works fine on these machines. A few years ago I bought a Toshiba Satellite laptop with FreeDos installed by default, and it was cheap. No money to Microsoft, and Linux worked like a

Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop

Simon Hobson <li...@thehobsons.co.uk> To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop Message-ID: <319f6090-0a9b-47d4-84b3-1d1a8b297...@thehobsons.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Robert Storey <robert.sto...@gmail.com> wrote: >&g

Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework

writes: > Hi dear list, > Thanks again for all the work u did on Dev1 and tell me if I can help > in anyway. > I followed devuanfanboy howto, removed dbus and installed fluxbox（was > under xfce b4） > Thing is Im using Japanese a lot and need anthy or similar. I need Chinese

[DNG] lilo development has ended

Hi everyone. It's been a long time since I posted here, but don't worry, I haven't gone over to the Dark Side (ie Systemd). I've just been quietly waiting for Devuan-beta, and in the meantime have tried to keep out of the way of the Devuan developers rather than waste their time with my ignorant

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch

> From: Nuno Magalhães > > Unfortunately it only allows you to search by package, leaving you > with a lot of non-linux and inactive distros - and no ranking. > But it's a nice feature. Yes, but biggest problem is that it misses some good non-systemd distros like Gentoo

Re: [DNG] Congratulations to the Devuan team

About vdev... It looks like it's almost ready for prime time, but that further testing is needed to work out any bugs. So I'd like to throw out a little suggestion to expedite that. Could someone come up with a package so that we can install vdev on Debian? In my case, I'm currently using antiX

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

As (bad) luck would have it, I just received an email from Jesse Smith (who writes the DistroWatch Weekly Review) informing me that he already wrote a review of antiX and it will be published this Monday. It would be too late to withdraw it now, since that would leave him without a review for this

Re: [DNG] automount Was: Re: A better default windows manager

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if

Re: [Dng] Secure boot?

Nobody yet knows how many Windows 10 compliant manufacturers will eliminate the off-switch for Secure Boot. Could be 90%, for all we know. If we don't support secure boot hardware, we're telling people not to use Linux on commodity off the shelf hardware. Pay double for System76. Won't be

Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

James Powell wrote: Doesn't udevil have a port on BSD? Off kilter question but if the answer is yes, then I can expand the idea I have. A Google search turned up this: http://ftp4.se.freebsd.org/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/udevil/ Not sure if that is what you're looking for. Hope it helps.

[Dng] DistroWatch review of Manjaro-OpenRC

Now that Ubuntu and Debian have decided to go over to the Dark Side (ie systemd), I've been looking for a replacement at least until Devuan is released. I believe it was Steve Litt who made a post suggesting that Manjaro-OpenRC was very good, so I checked it out. Long story made short, it is

Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

First, thanks to all who replied. To me, the ideal solution would be if this was a user-configurable option. Would be great if you could, for example, just stick something into .bashrc for any user to allow automounting of USB devices, no matter which DE or window manager was being used. But I

[Dng] automounting in a window manager

With all the recent discussion about DEs (Cinnamon, Gnome, Mate, etc), I just thought I'd throw this in here... For the longest time, I simply used a window manager. In the beginning, it was FVWM, but later I took a liking to IceWM. As opposed to a full-blown Desktop Environment, I liked the

Re: [Dng] dev-list

Apollia wrote: I'm also glad there is a forum: http://talk.devuan.org/ I actually prefer forums over mailing lists in general because forums seem to be more organized, which makes it easier for people to avoid anything they're uninterested in. I didn't realize we had a forum. And I agree

Re: [Dng] dev-list

Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because of the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have to wade through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) If there is a -dev list, I would sign up to see what's happening but it's unlikely I would participate

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

From: JeremyBekka C jrchristop...@gmail.com I hope this is the right place to post this question, but I am looking for some advice on how to gain the necessary technical skills to help with future development of Devuan. Hello Jeremy. Yes, this is as good a place as any to post your question.

Re: [Dng] devuan security wishlist item

Wasn't there a whole seqence of ctrl-alt-letter things to gradually shut down the entire system, layer by layer? Antybody still know these, and are they still there? Ah yes, the magic keys. Holding down Alt and SysRq (which is the Print Screen key) while slowly typing REISUB will get you

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

I agree that we need to have good documentations to minimise mistakes. But without a good base for the documentations, I don't think it is worth to start writing them now. It will make sense to write Devuan documentations after it is being released and stabilised. Cheers, Anto I just want

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

You're s demotivating! Systemd was never a problem, it's wonderful, you're just a troll! Just go with the program and use it: This is the 21st century, so we need a 21st century init system. Systemd is modular, it's comprised of nothing but modules. I think Don Armstrong should kick you

Re: [Dng] Why daemontools is so cool

Thanks for telling us about this. I hadn't heard of daemontools before. I did an apt-cache show daemontools and interestingly it suggests runit. I presume that Devuan will at least include daemontools and possibly runit, which should be a fascinating combination to play with. Can't wait to get

Re: [Dng] vdev status update and milestone

From: Jude Nelson Hey everyone, I'm pleased to announce that vdev can successfully boot to a console on the Devuan vagrant image! It creates all requisite device files and loads all requisite kernel drivers, both for the pre-boot initramfs environment (so init can mount root) and in the

Re: [Dng] Puppy Linux-related thoughts

Puppy Linux is interesting. I used it for awhile and liked that it was fast, and fun. A bit lacking in software, but with the Slacko packages you can make it better. My main concern about it was that it logs you in as root (without even a password). A lot of people have expressed concern about

[Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

Hopefully, it's just a rumor, though it sounds real. Indeed, I've been wondering why RMS hasn't commented on systemd long ago when it became obvious that it would effectively dump his beloved Hurd project into the trash can. If he really called someone a troll for asking his opinion of systemd,

[Dng] release names

Just want to say that I really like this idea of naming releases after minor planets, such as Ceres. It's a way cool idea. I nominate pseudo-planet Sedna for a future Devuan release. Not sure how many of these planets exist, but if we run out of planet names, there's always the many moons of the

[Dng] KDE systemd lock-in

I'm just wondering how this is going to affect KDE apps. I have several KDE apps installed on my current system, and really like them. It would be a pity if I couldn't use them in the future, though some of them could easily be replaced with non-KDE equivalents. I also have to wonder about Gnome

[Dng] UEFI secure boot not secure

Hi, this is a little off-topic, but still relevant I think. You all might remember that about a month ago I made a post about how I had partitioned my laptop hard drive GPT-style, which requires UEFI boot. I did this mainly to learn about GPT and UEFI, not because I wanted to dual-boot with

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

On Fri,On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Steve Litt wrote: Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. SteveT I'm sure you know it already, but it is definitely worth pointing out the classic LILO is still maintained Though it

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 4, Issue 35

with subject or body 'help' to dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org You can reach the person managing the list at dng-ow...@lists.dyne.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Dng digest... Today's Topics: 1. UEFI, GPT (Robert Storey

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

Gravis said: the first release will be almost the same as debian with the exception of packages needing systemd. after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any direct changes. Hi Gravis. Yes, that's kind of what I figured. I'll do a little more exploring on the

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

Steve Litt said: I've heard anecdotes of the UEFI system writing to persistant memory on the motherboard in a way that an app misusing UEFI could brick the motherboard. Therefore, the only time I use UEFI is when I absolutely must have Windows on the laptop, and the Windows that came on the

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

, unlike Debian which seems to choke on it. Thank you for this mailing list, and the great work you are doing on Devuan. best regards, Robert Storey ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng