In beowulf at least you can use libelogind0 in place of libsystemd0 but
packages still require something that provides it.
libelogind0 shares some code with libsystemd0 and of course we only need it to
provide some desktops, so there are things left where we don't need it.
In beowulf at least
IMHO..
I mentioned before that I didn't take your joke badly, and I do think others
shouldn't either.
About corporations:
If they are that interested in Devuan (and yes I'm repeating myself) they
should put some dedicated maintainers our way so we can remove all of
libsystemd0.
I've often
Aside from the nuisance of constant warnings and attempts by programs to
connect to a daemon that isn't available (mainly dbus and pulse) and the thing
with machine-id spam..
I've just found that xorg will constantly spam the xorg logs every 10 seconds
due to libdbus support if it cannot
Watched all of the talks now. All very well done, informative and entertaining
and there was plenty to talk about. Pure gold :)
Cheers,
chillfan
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It was a slight shame about the audio but I was grateful to have the stream
available to watch what was going on. Very enjoyable and instructive.
I did miss some of the talks yesterday so will look forward to seeing them on
the website.
Cheers,
chillfan
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Indeed there is Icecat that is DRM free.
Iceweasel-UXP just covers some more of the criteria of what people would
consider less frustrating or is closer to a real fork since they change things
at the code level.
It would be interesting if there was a version of Icecat based on Iceweasel-UXP.
Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package another browser
to try to solve the problem, since it comes from the hyperbola project.
They follow a "when it's ready" release cycle afaik which probably means they
have patches of their that can be applied, making things a
It was just more relevant for this discussion to mention Katolaz and his hard
work. There are other core developers who are also working hard.
I'm not sure then if the bus-factor does apply, but I'm sure none of the core
developers are the type to cross the road without looking ;-)
Cheers,
:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:06:14AM +0000, chillfan--- via Dng wrote:
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> > There are many of us frustrated with web browsers and the web in general,
>
> Is there anything that can be done about this?
>
> Browsers seem to be an all-or-nothing kind of nonmodularit
Katolaz is working very hard to ensure we have releases, but I didn't realise
he was doing all this even. There shouldn't be any sore feelings over this or
anything personal.
He really had me there for a moment but gopher and browser complaints were good
clues something isn't quite right ;)
For me the short answer is that I very much dislike this and would prefer not
to have it.
There was an open issue in my git repo about performance issues relating to
'machine id' and pulse when dbus is not available. The person reporting it
provided a hackish work around and I later asked
Upgrading from ascii to beowulf was very straight forward for me.
sed -i 's/ascii/beowulf/' /etc/apt/sources.list
then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
If it's not straight forward, please inbox me. I don't have much time to do
anything just now but I'll eventually document the upgrade
,
chillfan
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On Saturday, February 16, 2019 6:35 PM, Alessandro Selli
wrote:
> On 16/02/19 at 11:26, chillfan--- via Dng wrote:
>
> > And of course I don't need nft
>
> Yes, you do.
>
> For some reason you don't want it, but t
Imo this is nowhere near a pleasant way to do things for users. It would have
been much better to just provide a separate iptables nft package by default
during the install, as they really haven't given iptables the axe yet.
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So it turns out if you have the proper nft support (nft + compat module
probably) in your kernel then iptables will continue to work.
The ifup failure looks like this:
iptables-restore/1.8.2 Failed to initialize nft: Protocol not supported
run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables exited
Yeah, although the nft wiki seems to suggest it will replace iptables they seem
to be coexisting at the moment.
The problem with iptables is it expects you to have nft support. A quick find
command shows some changes in the provided binaries.
/sbin/iptables-save
/sbin/iptables
Of the most stupid thing to happen over an upgrade.. Debian have forcibly
broken a security feature. Which is to say, don't expect your firewall to still
be functioning when you upgrade to Buster. And expect it to cause network
failure.
Short story, I upgraded an ascii system to Beowulf since
My favourite comment has to be:
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11436#issuecomment-454546312
"You seem to suggest that we should never change any user visible detail. I
think this user rule was in error, and it worked for a while by luck, and now
it doesn't. This happens all the
I can only agree with that.
My reservations about doing this are mostly been because of our target
audience, and not wanting to exclude the more savvy users.
But there's nothing wrong with doing this in a side project that wouldn't go on
the main website.
Cheers,
chillfan
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Historically the community has always responded to things that are minimal and
simple, and not so much to things that are bloated or windowsy, or similar.
Imho, a reason why a new user might look to Devuan could be because it's less
like windows than some of the others, and the community
on using
unetbootin.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 9:25 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl
wrote:
> On 01-01-19 22:04, chillfan--- via Dng wrote:
>
> > Validating the images is optional but I think it's useful to tell peo
Validating the images is optional but I think it's useful to tell people how
this is done for those that want it. That part could easily be rewritten to be
optional and a recommendation only. That's my suggestion for this anyway. So
something like:
Installation images distributed by Devuan are
I can confirm that I haven't set a reply-to header, but this is just a web
mail. It could be that my webmail provider just doesn't allow me to unset the
header, but I haven't looked that far into it.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:07 PM,
The contents on github are now slightly behind what we prepared for the website
as the links point to the jessie torrent (I will fix that in the next push
soon). Translations should be in good order aside from that.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Monday, December 24,
How new is the laptop? What is the model of network card?
Without knowing anything about your hardware or configuration I would first
check no other device like wireless is trying to connect.
If it's not and the router/dhcp is definitely not doing something stupid:
Then probably you should
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