On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 10:09:40AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> > Speaking of which, my patch for "nodm" is online at [1].
> Great :^) I hope Enrico has time to have a look and perhaps include the
> patch upstream.
Unfortunately, most likely I will not: I only have time to work on nodm
when a customer
Tobias Hunger writes:
[...]
>> on the same grounds, because systemd covers so much ground
>> and does so many things (that *it should not* be doing) that any good
>> engineer who wants to design an alternative will see a lot of insane
>> features and immediately say "Nope, I'm not doing that, it
On September 2, 2015 2:12:33 AM GMT+02:00, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 01:59:55AM +0200, poitr pogo wrote:
>> i'm against moderation.
I'm against allowing enemies to sit at a campfire of refugees that have just
been kicked out of their home.
>I also realize I'm not the owner
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 15:50:43 +0200
shraptor wrote:
> On 2015-09-01 11:48, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> > On 01/09/2015 10:29, Jaromil wrote:
> >> if you can confirm the plan of releasing r6-rc within september
> >
> > I confirm it.
>
> I am interested in r6-rc is there any place to read more about
On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 01:59:55AM +0200, poitr pogo wrote:
> i'm against moderation.
> if you find his posts disturbing use killfile instead.
I have to agree here. He's not spamming, he's expressing his unbounded
enthusiasm for all things systemd (call it trolling if you
want). Frankly, I've foun
i'm against moderation.
if you find his posts disturbing use killfile instead.
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Hello Mr. Zini,
On 09/01/2015 07:14 PM, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 10:09:40AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
>> [...] I hope Enrico has time to have a look and perhaps include
>> the patch upstream.
>>
> Unfortunately, most likely I will not: I only have time to work on nodm
> when a cus
On 01/09/2015 15:50, shraptor wrote:
I am interested in r6-rc is there any place to read more about it
or perhaps I have to wait for the release?
http://skarnet.org/s6-rc/ but you won't see much there until it's
released.
You can get a preliminary look, which includes some early
documentation
On Tue, 9/1/15, Jaromil wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into
systemd on Fedora Rawhide
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 8:37 AM
[snip]
> We do not need these sorts of debates here, we need to facilitate the
> w
On 2015-09-01 11:48, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 01/09/2015 10:29, Jaromil wrote:
if you can confirm the plan of releasing r6-rc within september
I confirm it.
I am interested in r6-rc is there any place to read more about it
or perhaps I have to wait for the release?
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On Tue, 01 Sep 2015, John Crisp wrote:
> On 01/09/15 15:16, jfmxl wrote:
> >
> > It was RH in league with/fronting for the NSA.
>
> I'm not an ardent conspiracy theorist so that's one step too far for me
> personally, though I do understand your thinking.
>
> RH is more than capable of doing th
On 01/09/15 15:16, jfmxl wrote:
>
> It was RH in league with/fronting for the NSA.
I'm not an ardent conspiracy theorist so that's one step too far for me
personally, though I do understand your thinking.
RH is more than capable of doing this itself for it's own ends. It is
doing nothing illegal
On 2015-09-01 19:26, John Crisp wrote:
On 30/08/15 09:26, Steve Litt wrote:
You know why, Nate. You were on Debian-User in the bad old days. Back
in the day, how many times did I get called a conspiracy theorist for
answering that question.
Three words:
1. Follow
2. the
3. money.
So true,
On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 10:04:13 +0200
Tobias Hunger wrote:
[snip]
> Now that is a really depressing outlook.
>
> I am way more positive than about your chances than that.
[snip]
> Keep on hacking, you can make a difference:)
[snip]
> Go talk to other developers, find out what bothers them abo
On 30/08/15 09:26, Steve Litt wrote:
> You know why, Nate. You were on Debian-User in the bad old days. Back
> in the day, how many times did I get called a conspiracy theorist for
> answering that question.
>
> Three words:
>
> 1. Follow
> 2. the
> 3. money.
>
So true, so true.
I personally
On 01/09/2015 10:04, Tobias Hunger wrote:
Now that is a really depressing outlook.
What can I say: the state of affairs with the systemd madness
*is* depressing.
I am way more positive than about your chances than that. X11 used to
be impossible to replace because of drivers and we are pret
On 01/09/2015 10:29, Jaromil wrote:
if you can confirm the plan of releasing r6-rc within september
I confirm it.
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On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 10:04:13AM +0200, Tobias Hunger wrote:
[cut]
>
> Which concrete problems did you, Jude and whoever solve recently?
>
I know this is hard to believe for you, but all those efforts are
intended to avoid a bloated software, whose conception has nothing to
do with the most
Tobias Hunger writes:
> Am 31.08.2015 21:50 schrieb "KatolaZ" :
>> The sole fact that you consider anything else than systemd as "a
>> lesser" option[...]
>
> Hi KatolaZ,
>
> there are several inits (plus surrounding code like startup scripts) that
> do not require a hack like that.
It would stil
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> I'm working on it with s6-rc. Jude is working on the udev system
> with vdev. Other people are working on the other parts of the Linux
> userspace that systemd would love to phagocyte. And we are not
> getting the kind of money or resources that the sy
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Tobias Hunger wrote:
> And yes, any init system that needs hacks like the one tilt! is doing
> for his display manager is a lesser one.
so also busybox then, are they lesser userland utilities ?
and uclibc or mulib, are they lesser libc implementations?
how about Hurd or *B
I'll refrain quoting the rest of the reply, which contains some obvious
manipulations.
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015, Tobias Hunger wrote:
>Please blog as much as you can so that developers can find out about what
>you are doing. Posting here won't get your message across I think.
so now you are
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015, tilt! wrote:
> Speaking of which, my patch for "nodm" is online at [1].
>
> Kind regards,
> T.
>
> Links:
>
> [1] "nodm" Devuan package source 0.11-1.3~sls1.
> URL: https://git.devuan.org/tilt/nodm
Great :^) I hope Enrico has time to have a look and perhaps include the
patc
Hi Laurent,
Am 31.08.2015 9:24 nachm. schrieb "Laurent Bercot" :
>
> On 31/08/2015 20:56, Tobias Hunger wrote:
>>
>> Oh, I am pretty happy with systemd and won't lie about that. I would
>> still like to see some competition going.
>
>
> That's pretty much the crux of the problem here. Nothing can
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, KatolaZ wrote:
> Go conquer the world with your little software-engineering
> masterpiece, but please leave us poor cavemen in peace.
You are very kind to call them "systemd-lovers" and call us cavemen. You
are conceding a lot to people who are too full of themselves to even
r
On 09/01/2015 07:49 AM, Tobias Hunger wrote:
> [...]
> And yes, checking for shutdown in a service is a hack. Things like
> that are a maintenance nightmare in the long run, especially when
> they start to get copied into other services.
Speaking of which, my patch for "nodm" is online at [1].
K
Am 31.08.2015 21:50 schrieb "KatolaZ" :
> The sole fact that you consider anything else than systemd as "a
> lesser" option[...]
Hi KatolaZ,
there are several inits (plus surrounding code like startup scripts) that
do not require a hack like that. Systemd is just one of those and I am
fully aware
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:59:24 +0100
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> KatolaZ writes:
> [...]
>
> > Go conquer the world with your little software-engineering
> > masterpiece, but please leave us poor cavemen in peace.
>
> The poor cavemen are the guys with the huge, elaborate stone tools
> ... :->
No
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:56:33 +0200
Tobias Hunger wrote:
> Oh, I am pretty happy with systemd and won't lie about that. I would
> still like to see some competition going.
>
> And yes, any init system that needs hacks like the one tilt! is doing
> for his display manager is a lesser one.
O,
KatolaZ writes:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 08:56:33PM +0200, Tobias Hunger wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>>
>> Oh, I am pretty happy with systemd and won't lie about that. I would
>> still like to see some competition going.
[...]
> Go conquer the world with your little software-engineering
> masterpiece,
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 08:56:33PM +0200, Tobias Hunger wrote:
[cut]
>
> Oh, I am pretty happy with systemd and won't lie about that. I would
> still like to see some competition going.
>
> And yes, any init system that needs hacks like the one tilt! is doing
> for his display manager is a less
Hi,
On 08/31/2015 08:56 PM, Tobias Hunger wrote:
> [...]
> And yes, any init system that needs hacks like the one tilt! is
> doing for his display manager is a lesser one.
This is an outrage! I don't do "hacks", i perform highly qualified
high-tech science development for the sake of future gene
Tobias Hunger writes:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Jaromil wrote:
[...]
>> what really disturbed me is the arrogance of that definition "lesser
>> init systems" which in general depicts pretty much the attitude of
>> systemd hooligans, often scaling to full range trolling.
>>
>> "Lesser"
On 31/08/2015 20:56, Tobias Hunger wrote:
Oh, I am pretty happy with systemd and won't lie about that. I would
still like to see some competition going.
That's pretty much the crux of the problem here. Nothing can compete
with systemd on the same grounds, because systemd covers so much ground
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Tobias Hunger wrote:
>
>> > if that is even a legitimate account,
>>
>> Yes. Did we get to the point where we need fake emails to follow up
>> on free software projects now?
>
> since none of your emails are cryptographically
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Tobias Hunger wrote:
> > if that is even a legitimate account,
>
> Yes. Did we get to the point where we need fake emails to follow up
> on free software projects now?
since none of your emails are cryptographically signed, noone can really
tell if this is an impersonation.
Steve Litt writes:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 21:11:01 -0500
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
>> And all along I thought a "dock" had to do with a place to put program
>> icons on a desktop and that "docker" was a tool to handle it. I've
>> ignored everything about virtual machines except for Virtual Box and
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 21:11:01 -0500
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> And all along I thought a "dock" had to do with a place to put program
> icons on a desktop and that "docker" was a tool to handle it. I've
> ignored everything about virtual machines except for Virtual Box and
> QEMU.
>
> Evidently, I n
And all along I thought a "dock" had to do with a place to put program
icons on a desktop and that "docker" was a tool to handle it. I've
ignored everything about virtual machines except for Virtual Box and
QEMU.
Evidently, I now have to know that a "container" is a virtual machine.
Or is it? Se
On 2015-08-31 05:34, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:20:15 -0400
Clarke Sideroad wrote:
It seems to me that with so much in common GNU/Linux or UNIX use that
was so deeply flawed, he/Redhat would have been further ahead to just
fork off and create Poettericks or or Poetterdows.
No,
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:20:15 -0400
Clarke Sideroad wrote:
> It seems to me that with so much in common GNU/Linux or UNIX use that
> was so deeply flawed, he/Redhat would have been further ahead to just
> fork off and create Poettericks or or Poetterdows.
No, because in a head to head showdown
It seems to me that with so much in common GNU/Linux or UNIX use that
was so deeply flawed, he/Redhat would have been further ahead to just
fork off and create Poettericks or or Poetterdows.
I guess the problem with heading in that direction would have be the
lack of recognition, his project/o
On 30/08/2015 20:54, Steve Litt wrote:
http://www.ibuildthecloud.com/blog/2014/12/03/is-docker-fundamentally-flawed
Very nice!
Note that the article is about the containers' *host*.
When people talk about "making systemd work with containers",
they're usually meaning running systemd *in* the
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:39:28 +0100
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
>
> > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:20:41 +0200
> > Laurent Bercot wrote:
> >
> >> On 29/08/2015 23:11, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> > in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins
> >> > administering hundreds
* On 2015 30 Aug 02:27 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> You know why, Nate. You were on Debian-User in the bad old days. Back
> in the day, how many times did I get called a conspiracy theorist for
> answering that question.
>
> Three words:
>
> 1. Follow
> 2. the
> 3. money.
Sigh, yes, I know. I'm s
Steve Litt writes:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:20:41 +0200
> Laurent Bercot wrote:
>
>> On 29/08/2015 23:11, Steve Litt wrote:
>> > in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins
>> > administering hundreds of boxes with hundreds of Docker containers.
>> > These guys are telling me
Laurent Bercot writes:
> On 29/08/2015 14:43, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> 'su' is not a concept, it's a program.
>
> Okay, let's clarify.
> A program is the implementation of an idea. The idea is often
> unwritten or unspoken, or forgotten, and people will only refer
> to the implementation; but
On 30/08/2015 04:29, Isaac Dunham wrote:
Correction for this:
Alpine Linux is OpenRC based.
Ah, sorry, I mixed them: it's Void Linux that's runit-based.
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On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:47:18 +0100
Dave Turner wrote:
> I always thought su was the wrong way to go about things.
> Give me sudo every time.
How much stuff do you want to put in sudoers? You really want to do
what Ubuntu does?
> (there are assorted long discussions about su vs sudo out there on
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:20:41 +0200
Laurent Bercot wrote:
> On 29/08/2015 23:11, Steve Litt wrote:
> > in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins
> > administering hundreds of boxes with hundreds of Docker containers.
> > These guys are telling me systemd is necessary to effici
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:05:47 -0500
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 29 Aug 16:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Yeah, that isn't a problem, and shouldn't be a problem.
> > Interestingly, in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the
> > mega-metal admins administering hundreds of boxes with hundr
Hi Matteo,
On 08/29/2015 02:53 PM, Matteo Panella wrote:
[...]
On a server, tough, it just does its job nicely (unless you need
strict audit of root-level actions, in which case sudo with a MAC
system should be your starting point).
So much noise (and security-critical code) for nothing.
If s
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 02:20:41AM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> [snip] Alpine Linux, for instance, makes Docker
> containers a breeze to use, and makes the images a lot smaller.
> Alpine is runit-based, and people have also found success running Docker
> containers under s6; systemd is very unne
On 30/08/2015 01:13, Simon Hobson wrote:
I don't think anyone has suggested it's for servers only. But, there
is an argument for picking the low hanging fruit - and that means
trying to do the "easy" bits first. I've not really followed it in
detail, but from what I've read it does seem that the
On 29/08/2015 23:11, Steve Litt wrote:
in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins
administering hundreds of boxes with hundreds of Docker containers.
These guys are telling me systemd is necessary to efficiently manage
the Dockers.
They're telling you that because they've b
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:13:43AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
>
> I don't think it's so much a packaging decision by Debian, more a case of
> what the upstream devs have done. The Debian decision was (AIUI) "we don't
> have the resources to remove the crap" - not a decision to add it, just a
>
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:13:43AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
[cut]
>
> > Right now with Debian Jessie systemd must be installed to make the
> > desktop anywhere near functional, but that is a result of packaging
> > decisions by Debian ...
>
> I don't think it's so much a packaging decision by
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> I'll add my voice to the chorus objecting to the idea that removal of
> systemd is for servers only.
I don't think anyone has suggested it's for servers only.
But, there is an argument for picking the low hanging fruit - and that means
trying to do the "easy" bits first.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:31:44AM +0200, Tobias Hunger wrote:
> Hi Jaromil,
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> >>Hi Rainer, do you know that you are feeding a troll ?
> >>tobias.hun...@gmail.com appears to be a systemd developer
>
> I tend to send patches to open source proje
* On 2015 29 Aug 16:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> Yeah, that isn't a problem, and shouldn't be a problem. Interestingly,
> in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins
> administering hundreds of boxes with hundreds of Docker containers.
> These guys are telling me systemd is nec
Hi Jaromil,
actually I was not replying to a technical question on systemd, that
was my other mail to the question of tilt! I replied to earlier.
You are right in that I should have known better than to get into this
thread. A bad case of https://xkcd.com/386/ :-)
Sorry, and now going to lurk-mo
Hi Jaromil,
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Jaromil wrote:
>>Hi Rainer, do you know that you are feeding a troll ?
>>tobias.hun...@gmail.com appears to be a systemd developer
I tend to send patches to open source projects that I get into contact
with. It is a really annoying habit I picked up i
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:20:01 -0500
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 29 Aug 10:15 -0500, poitr pogo wrote:
> > So let them build desktop oriented linux, and let us focus on the
> > server oriented version.
>
> I'll add my voice to the chorus objecting to the idea that removal of
> systemd is for
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:34:29 +0200
Laurent Bercot wrote:
> Oh, I'm not blaming some abstract entity called "su". When I say
> that su is not good (anymore), it's obviously on us.
> There's a reason why I have written programs performing privilege
> gain without bit s executables. ;)
>
Now
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:45:01 +0200
Tobias Hunger wrote:
> Hi Rainer,
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Rainer Weikusat
> wrote:
> > If not, then not. But
> > the reason why su is only of limited usefulness is not because the
> > hardcoded policy isn't complicated enough to include
> >
> > $r
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:22:23 -0700
Go Linux wrote:
> On Sat, 8/29/15, poitr pogo wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement
> merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide To: "dng"
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2015, 10:14 AM
>
> &
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:38:33 +0200
Laurent Bercot wrote:
> On 29/08/2015 14:43, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> > 'su' is not a concept, it's a program.
>
>Okay, let's clarify.
> A program is the implementation of an idea. The idea is often
> unwritten or unspoken, or forgotten, and people will o
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:03:00 +0100
Edward Bartolo wrote:
> This is heartbreaking rather than a show. Replace everything that used
> to work reliably for so many years with what clueless beginners want!
>
> The plague has come, but not in the form of a deadly bacterium, but in
> the new trend of,
* On 2015 29 Aug 10:15 -0500, poitr pogo wrote:
> So let them build desktop oriented linux, and let us focus on the
> server oriented version.
I'll add my voice to the chorus objecting to the idea that removal of
systemd is for servers only. My first use of Linux (Slackware
specifically) was as a
On August 29, 2015 6:54:44 PM GMT+02:00, Rowland Penny
wrote:
>Hi Rainer, do you know that you are feeding a troll ?
>tobias.hun...@gmail.com appears to be a systemd developer
if that is even a legitimate account,
is he getting paid for his time spent here?
I find it disturbing. systemd has
On 29/08/2015 20:10, KatolaZ wrote:
Well, I wouldn't say that su is a broken concept on its own. In
assessing the quality of ideas and software one should always take
into account the motivations which led to a certain solution.
su appeared in AT&T Unix Version 1:
Yes. However, Unix has evolv
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 04:38:33PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> On 29/08/2015 14:43, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> >'su' is not a concept, it's a program.
>
> Okay, let's clarify.
> A program is the implementation of an idea. The idea is often
> unwritten or unspoken, or forgotten, and people will
On 29/08/15 17:50, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Tobias Hunger writes:
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Rainer Weikusat
wrote:
'su' is a somewhat generic setuid-0 program: It changes the uid and the
gids associated with itself to the ones for a certain user and then
executes a shell. In addition to
Tobias Hunger writes:
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Rainer Weikusat
> wrote:
>> 'su' is a somewhat generic setuid-0 program: It changes the uid and the
>> gids associated with itself to the ones for a certain user and then
>> executes a shell. In addition to that, it contains another "random
On 08/28/2015 11:00 AM, Michael Bütow wrote:
> Article here:
>
> https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
>
> I for one look forward to not having any of this madness one day when I
> transition completely to Devuan!
>
su --> machinectl shell
Obviously, too many people were getting root too ea
Hi Rainer,
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Rainer Weikusat
wrote:
> 'su' is a somewhat generic setuid-0 program: It changes the uid and the
> gids associated with itself to the ones for a certain user and then
> executes a shell. In addition to that, it contains another "random
> environment mun
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 05:14:50PM +0200, poitr pogo wrote:
...
> So let them build desktop oriented linux, and let us focus on the
> server oriented version.
I'm completely happy with devuan as a desktop system. Plaeas don't
abandon the desktop.
-- hendrik
It's the NSA. Sneaking binary logs into linux and so forth. Taking over
the system. Redhat's corporate and just down the pike from Fort Meade.
Lennart's a mole.
Seems obvious to me, anyway.
On 2015-08-29 22:14, poitr pogo wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Michael Bütow
wrote:
Ar
On Sat, 8/29/15, poitr pogo wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into
systemd on Fedora Rawhide
To: "dng"
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2015, 10:14 AM
>
> So let them build desktop oriented linux, and let us focus on the
> serv
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Michael Bütow wrote:
> Article here:
>
> https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
>
> I for one look forward to not having any of this madness one day when I
> transition completely to Devuan!
>
This is rather good news, as this is extension to systemd not to
On 29/08/2015 14:43, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
'su' is not a concept, it's a program.
Okay, let's clarify.
A program is the implementation of an idea. The idea is often
unwritten or unspoken, or forgotten, and people will only refer
to the implementation; but good design always starts with the
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:03:00 +0100
Edward Bartolo wrote:
> The plague has come, but not in the form of a deadly bacterium, but in
> the new trend of, "sacrificing function for fashion".
Or the megalomaniac "We are Systemd of Borg, resistance is futile..."
Cheers,
Ron.
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This is heartbreaking rather than a show. Replace everything that used
to work reliably for so many years with what clueless beginners want!
The plague has come, but not in the form of a deadly bacterium, but in
the new trend of, "sacrificing function for fashion".
On 29/08/2015, Rainer Weikusat
Matteo Panella writes:
> On 28/08/2015 17:32, Laurent Bercot wrote:
>> On 28/08/2015 17:00, Michael Bütow wrote:
>>> https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
>>
>> The thing is, he's not entirely wrong: su *is*, really, a
>> broken concept.
>
> On a desktop system with current constraints (XDG env
On 28/08/2015 17:32, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> On 28/08/2015 17:00, Michael Bütow wrote:
>> https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
>
> The thing is, he's not entirely wrong: su *is*, really, a
> broken concept.
On a desktop system with current constraints (XDG env vars, X11
sockets...) I'd agree,
Laurent Bercot writes:
> On 28/08/2015 17:00, Michael Bütow wrote:
>> https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
>
> The thing is, he's not entirely wrong: su *is*, really, a
> broken concept.
'su' is not a concept, it's a program. This means one can use it to
accomplish what it was written to do.
I always thought su was the wrong way to go about things.
Give me sudo every time.
(there are assorted long discussions about su vs sudo out there on the
interweb, let's not repeat them here!)
Just be glad we still have a choice!
DaveT
On 28/08/15 16:32, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 28/08/2015 17
On 28/08/2015 17:00, Michael Bütow wrote:
https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
The thing is, he's not entirely wrong: su *is*, really, a
broken concept.
What he conveniently forgets, of course, is that having a
real root session with a separated environment, which is
what the new feature do
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 05:00:56PM +0200, Michael Bütow wrote:
> Article here:
>
> https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
>
> I for one look forward to not having any of this madness one day when I
> transition completely to Devuan!
Motivations are legit (see sup, doas).
Having a privilege esca
Article here:
https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
I for one look forward to not having any of this madness one day when I
transition completely to Devuan!
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