[DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-05-15 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
The rise of the new inquisition as a respondent has aptly described is worrying. A person loses all their merits as a consequence of one error, controversial opinion or belief. An intellectually brilliant person like Stallman is more than one opinion or belief. The several decades they have lived

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-05-15 Thread Bernard Rosset via Dng
This is by far the best analysis of how the first GR vote went down: Combatting revisionist history http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20=120652 Thank you a lot for that golinux! > There was never a systemd debate Yup. > [...] the discussion becomes fractured and disjointed, in what is

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights (OT)

2021-03-29 Thread al3xu5
Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:58:39 +0100 - Riccardo Mottola : [...] > But I make a step back and do a further comment: I want politics out of > free software. [...] it should concentrate on > code, technology and access to it. And this is exactly what FSF is doing today: abandon the original

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-29 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 29/03/2021 à 11:14, Alessandro Vesely via Dng a écrit : > On Fri 26/Mar/2021 22:58:39 +0100 Riccardo Mottola wrote: >> I want politics out of free software. >> [...] >> >> Remember how many voices there were back then against "evil >> Microsoft" and IE6? >> >> But how many raise their voices

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-29 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Dng
On Fri 26/Mar/2021 22:58:39 +0100 Riccardo Mottola wrote: I want politics out of free software. [...] Remember how many voices there were back then against "evil Microsoft" and IE6? But how many raise their voices today against Chrome? And IBM before M$... Two weights, two measures.

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Simon Hobson
> On 27 Mar 2021, at 03:55, John Morris wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 15:46 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email. >> >> If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized >> because of guilt by association, then

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 27/03/2021 à 13:30, Steve Litt a écrit : > Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 + (UTC) > >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: >>> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 >>> >>> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? >>>

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread tito via Dng
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:50:07 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:30:14 -0400, Steve wrote in message > <20210327083014.2b434...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > > > Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 + (UTC) > > > > > > Hi All, > > >> > > >> Debian is engaging in a

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Alexa _video_game via Dng
Fully shareable. Never before has freedom been under attack by the ideology of politically correct, by revisionism, by cancel culture. I am not an IT pro, but I fully believe in free software and I understand the danger that also surrounds this freedom and its supporters. Terrible. Let's not

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:30:14 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20210327083014.2b434...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 + (UTC) > > > > Hi All, > >> > >> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: > >>

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread aitor
On 27/3/21 15:06, d...@d404.nl wrote: But I would like to keep politics*any politics except init freedom* as far as possible from Devuan All life is politics so I will not in any way connect my signing to the Devuan project. And I suggest others to do the same. I  replaced

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 26-03-2021 20:46, Steve Litt wrote: > Alessandro Vesely via Dng said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:07:08 +0100 > >> Hi All, >> >> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: >> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 >> >> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? >> I'd propose

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Steve Litt
John Morris said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:55:57 -0500 >On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 15:46 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email. >> >> If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized >> because of guilt by association, then

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Steve Litt
Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 + (UTC) > > Hi All, >> >> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: >> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 >> >> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? >> I'd propose to sign this one instead: >>

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Harald Arnesen via Dng
Steve Litt [26.03.2021 20:46]: > Before you sign anything or do anything, ask yourself if this is of top > importance to you. Are you willing to risk your career, your position > in your community, perhaps the positions of your family, to defend > Richard Stallman? Unless the answer is an

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread aitor
Hi, On 26/3/21 22:58, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU. https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web I can only stand with this letter. Me too. Btw, quoting

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Alexis PM via Dng
>>Hi All, >> >>Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: >>https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 >> >>Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? >>I'd propose to sign this one instead: >>https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ > > I'd suggest nobody sign anything,

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-27 Thread Alexis PM via Dng
> Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: > https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 > > Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? > I'd propose to sign this one instead: > https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ > > See also: > An orthodox analysis entitled

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 15:46 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email. > > If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized > because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to > believe that you will suffer

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Didier Kryn
dLe 26/03/2021 à 13:07, Alessandro Vesely via Dng a écrit : > Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: > https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002     Same thing happens on the GCC mailing list. A developper, Nathan Sidwell, asks to ban RMS from the steering commitee.

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Riccardo Mottola via Dng
Hi, On 3/26/21 1:07 PM, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 It is disgusting. On the GNUstep Mailing list after a post by Richard himself, some people voiced to fork away from GNU, A post,

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Riccardo Mottola via Dng
Hi, On 3/26/21 6:49 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:     Next step is trying to ban opponents to systemd ? I wouldn't joke about that too much :) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread golinux
On 2021-03-26 15:00, Steve Litt wrote: goli...@devuan.org said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:47:59 -0500 Steve Litt and I were threatened with a ban on the debian-user mail list for our anti-systemd opinions in 2014! Actually, he may have gotten hammered. Can't quite remember . . . golinux Yeah,

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 26/03/2021 à 19:01, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit : > You can bet on that. But social networks are just the beginning.     Social networks, like cell phone, meets a very old need of humans: the need to keep contact with the tribe. But it facilitates in the same time the very old trends to spread

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Steve Litt
goli...@devuan.org said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:47:59 -0500 >Steve Litt and I were threatened with a ban on the debian-user mail >list for our anti-systemd opinions in 2014! Actually, he may have >gotten hammered. Can't quite remember . . . > >golinux Yeah, I was banned from posting to

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Steve Litt
Alessandro Vesely via Dng said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:07:08 +0100 >Hi All, > >Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: >https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 > >Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? >I'd propose to sign this one instead:

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:01:47 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Anno domini 2021 Fri, 26 Mar 18:49:23 +0100 > Didier Kryn scripsit: > >     We are supposedly all here in favour of software freedom and > > freedom in general, which includes freedom of opinions. > > > >     It seems  we have

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread golinux
On 2021-03-26 13:26, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:07:08 +0100 Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: Hi All, Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: Yesterday's mistfits -> today's opressors: A warm welcome to autismophobia! I hope we (as humanity) get

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread golinux
On 2021-03-26 13:01, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Anno domini 2021 Fri, 26 Mar 18:49:23 +0100 Didier Kryn scripsit:     We are supposedly all here in favour of software freedom and freedom in general, which includes freedom of opinions.     It seems  we have entered a new era of inquisition,

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:07:08 +0100 Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: Yesterday's mistfits -> today's opressors: A warm welcome to autismophobia! I hope we (as humanity) get this resolved, before the tide turns again to hit

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2021 Fri, 26 Mar 18:49:23 +0100 Didier Kryn scripsit: >     We are supposedly all here in favour of software freedom and freedom > in general, which includes freedom of opinions. > >     It seems  we have entered a new era of inquisition, with the great > inquisitor being the social

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Didier Kryn
    We are supposedly all here in favour of software freedom and freedom in general, which includes freedom of opinions.     It seems  we have entered a new era of inquisition, with the great inquisitor being the social networks. Are we still free to express personal opinion without the risk of

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread g4sra via Dng
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 26, 2021 12:26 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Friday 26 March 2021 at 13:07:08, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: <<--snip--> Quote from Debian's page "consider the

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 26 March 2021 at 13:07:08, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: > https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 > > Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? > I'd propose to sign this one instead: >

[DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread Alessandro Vesely via Dng
Hi All, Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? I'd propose to sign this one instead: https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ See also: An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr.