Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-06 Thread Stephan Böttcher
Steve Litt writes: > On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:17:52 + > Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > > >> > Fvwm's good. Resource light, very configurable. That being said, you >> > must be *very* knowledgeable to get fvwm to work in a way that's >> > conducive to your workstyle, especially if you have poor visu

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-06 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
Hello Steve, On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 10:33:49AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:17:52 + > Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > > > > > Fvwm's good. Resource light, very configurable. That being said, you > > > must be *very* knowledgeable to get fvwm to work in a way that's > > > con

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-05 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Karl. Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 5 Jul 2015 03:21:28 +0200 (CEST), вы писали: > You can always (at least with older x-servers) start mult. x-servers, > one per virtual terminal (and/or physical graphics card): > > 3334 tty9 Ss+ 166:17 /usr/bin/X :9 -layout 1600 vt9 -no

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-04 Thread karl
С уважением: > В Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:18:17 +0630 Ста Деюс пишет: > > Do you of any *DE (except GDM, KDM) that supports multisessions -- > > i.e. makes it possible to login through it while another session is > > running? > > Ah! Missed one word making whole the message vain. The question was: > >

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 08:14:01PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: > Доброго времени суток, Fernando. > > > Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:36:29 -0300, вы писали: > > Simple enough is lightdm and you can make multiseat with several > > monitors/keyboards/mice or switch VMs (Control+Alt+Fn) to enable

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-04 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Fernando. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:36:29 -0300, вы писали: > Simple enough is lightdm and you can make multiseat with several > monitors/keyboards/mice or switch VMs (Control+Alt+Fn) to enable > several users each with her own Xsession. > > If you run XFCE ins

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Hendrik. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 08:05:40 -0400, вы писали: > There's >ssh -X > which can be directed at localhost. In this case, how will it look like: first user logins through non-GNOME/KDE DE, then, from terminal logins as another user? С уважением, Ста

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
В Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:18:17 +0630 Ста Деюс пишет: > Do you of any *DE (except GDM, KDM) that supports multisessions -- > i.e. makes it possible to login through it while another session is > running? Ah! Missed one word making whole the message vain. The question was: Do you *know* of any *DE (ex

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Eugene. Во Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:17:52 +, вы писали: > > I like the LXDE/Openbox combo. When I want a start button and > > taskbar, I use LXDE with Openbox underneath, so I get that "desktop > > environment" feel but have Openbox hotkeys available. When I'm on > > my daily

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Fernando M. Maresca
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:18:17PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: > > Do you of any *DE (except GDM, KDM) that supports multisessions -- i.e. > makes it possible to login through it while another session is running? > Simple enough is lightdm and you can make multiseat with several monitors/keyboards/mic

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:17:52 + Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > > Fvwm's good. Resource light, very configurable. That being said, you > > must be *very* knowledgeable to get fvwm to work in a way that's > > conducive to your workstyle, especially if you have poor visual > > acuity like I do. > >

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:24:52 +0800 Robert Storey wrote: > Hi All, > > Steve Litt said... > > > Like I said, fvwm is excellent. LXDE and Openbox are two others to > > look at, and as far as I know they have few if any systemd > > dependencies, direct or otherwise. > > I too am a fan of fvwm and

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:18:17PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: > Доброго времени суток, Robert. > > > Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:24:52 +0800, вы писали: > > I too am a fan of fvwm and LXDE. But another I recommend is IceWM. > > Only weakness is (like fvwm) it doesn't by default automount plu

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
Hello Steve, On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:52:44AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:08:26 + > Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > > > > Hello Mitt, > > > > Thanks for this picture. So much xfce4 dependences... probably I > > should switch from xfce4 to any other VM/DE (fvwm, probably).

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Robert. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:24:52 +0800, вы писали: > I too am a fan of fvwm and LXDE. But another I recommend is IceWM. > Only weakness is (like fvwm) it doesn't by default automount plugin > USB devices. If that could be tweaked, IceWM would be my preferr

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 09:24:52AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Hi All, > > Steve Litt said... > > > Like I said, fvwm is excellent. LXDE and Openbox are two others to look > > at, and as far as I know they have few if any systemd dependencies, > > direct or otherwise. > > I too am a fan of fvw

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Richard
@Robert, Take a look at how antiX-15 does with. IceWM. With Double Commander v0.7 it is fast and light weight. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Robert Storey
Hi All, Steve Litt said... > Like I said, fvwm is excellent. LXDE and Openbox are two others to look > at, and as far as I know they have few if any systemd dependencies, > direct or otherwise. I too am a fan of fvwm and LXDE. But another I recommend is IceWM. Only weakness is (like fvwm) it doe

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:08:26 + Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > Hello Mitt, > > Thanks for this picture. So much xfce4 dependences... probably I > should switch from xfce4 to any other VM/DE (fvwm, probably). Fvwm's good. Resource light, very configurable. That being said, you must be *very* know

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Mitt
On 2015-07-02 11:08, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > Hello Mitt, > > Thanks for this picture. So much xfce4 dependences... probably I should > switch from xfce4 to any other VM/DE (fvwm, probably). > > But in my laptop's Devuan (updated from testing), I see only > libsystemd0, and when I try to remove

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Mitt
On 2015-07-02 08:55, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > Hello All, > > My 2 cents about libsystemd0 dependencies. > > I installed fresh Devuan alpha from CD image, and trying to remove > libsystemd0, apt-get wants to remove rsyslog (but not udev, udev as a > package doesn't depend libsystemd0). Hello, N

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 09:29:18AM +0300, Mitt wrote: > On 2015-07-01 19:45, Dave Turner wrote: > > > Thanks Mitt, systemd-shim is now gone! > > libsystemd0 wanted to remove far too many packages including my newly > > installed hydrogen and anything to do with audio so that stays. > > I read up o

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 08:45:28PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: >On 01/07/15 15:02, Mitt wrote: > >Hey, Dave >Check out once you have consolekit installed, then create a .xinitrc >file in your home folder, write there startxfce4 --with-ck-launch and >start your session with xinit

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Jaromil
Thanks Mitt We see Devuan as a system for professionals, not consumers, and that also includes audio/video professionals. Pulseaudio will likely be eliminated from available choices, because of its poor latency and lack to support anything that is not just a desktop player or voip application.

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Mitt
On 2015-07-01 19:45, Dave Turner wrote: > Thanks Mitt, systemd-shim is now gone! > libsystemd0 wanted to remove far too many packages including my newly > installed hydrogen and anything to do with audio so that stays. > I read up on consolekit and didn't like the look of it... > Roll on Beta1!

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Dave Turner
On 01/07/15 15:02, Mitt wrote: Hey, Dave Check out once you have /consolekit/ installed, then create a .xinitrc file in your home folder, write there *startxfce4 --with-ck-launch* and start your session with *xinit *command instead of *startx*. You can also remove /systemd-shim /as well as

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Mitt
On 2015-07-01 06:52, Dave Turner wrote: > I had debian wheezy installed on my late 2006 intel iMac, using > wheezy-backports for things like LibreOffice and netbsd pkgsrc for > things not in backports such as the hydrogen drum synth. > > > I removed the lightdm greeter I had installed on wheezy so

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Fred DC
On 01/07/2015 10:16, KatolaZ wrote: > > I am not the best person to answer your questions, but I believe that > all these problems should be fixed in the beta release, when it's > ready. I am just a user but I can report that these issues have been addresses in Ascii. I use lightdm with consolek

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Jaromil
Dave's report confirms some problems we knew about, on which Dimkr has also done some research and development (loginkitd etc.). Overall I don't believe they'll be difficult to fix, but we need to establish a workflow on the desktop usability side to nail down the issues and track their status.

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 07:52:15AM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > I had debian wheezy installed on my late 2006 intel iMac, using > wheezy-backports for things like LibreOffice and netbsd pkgsrc for > things not in backports such as the hydrogen drum synth. > > I migrated to Devuan Alpha2 using devua

[DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-06-30 Thread Dave Turner
I had debian wheezy installed on my late 2006 intel iMac, using wheezy-backports for things like LibreOffice and netbsd pkgsrc for things not in backports such as the hydrogen drum synth. I migrated to Devuan Alpha2 using devuan-baseconf.deb. Good News: it works! Irritations: I can't shutdown f