On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:09:31PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote:
> Good time of the day, Hendrik.
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:14:06 -0400 you wrote:
>
> > If you know which key it is.
> >
> > > -- One key for
> > > cope/move the text! One key for: point the place of insertion,
> > > saving file ! --
Good time of the day, Didier.
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 19:01:10 +0200 you wrote:
> Not Linuxisms, GNUisms. Nano (and Emacs) belongs to GNU, and you
> know it: GNU's Not Unix! Do not forget we are talking of GNU/Linux.
> Trying to be POSIX-compliant, sure, but GNU nevertheless... a
> dilemma :-)
We
Good time of the day, Hendrik.
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:18:31 -0400 you wrote:
> > Pardon, but funny! :o)
>
> Funny, yes, but very true. I don't think they looked at keyboard
> distance between the various commands when they named them.
You can make a symlink to mc w/ whatsoever name you wou
Good time of the day, Hendrik.
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:14:06 -0400 you wrote:
> If you know which key it is.
>
> > -- One key for
> > cope/move the text! One key for: point the place of insertion,
> > saving file ! -- Again, what can be easier?!
>
> If you know which key it is.
>
> Is there
On 07/16/2015 04:11 AM, Jaromil wrote:
>
> for instance we may have refractalinux for a good devuan based live, or
> dynebolic for multimedia studio, or centurionlinux (made up thinking of Dan)
> for a good server base. Devuan should serve well as a reliable base for all
> those, as this is exa
On July 15, 2015 5:06:33 PM GMT+02:00, Renaud OLGIATI
wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +0200
>Franco Lanza wrote:
>
>> traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it.
>
>Except that Debian does not have it when a boot prob sends you to the
>rescue console ;-3(
I certainly hear
dear Golinux
On July 15, 2015 6:16:32 PM GMT+02:00, Go Linux wrote:
>Maybe what Devuan needs is a 'sys admin' version (perhaps w/o a DE) and
>an 'ordinary user' version (with xfce and less complicated tools than
>vi as default).
as we stated on the website, me and others believe Devuan should
On 2015-07-19 14:19, Nextime wrote:
On July 19, 2015 6:52:28 PM CEST, "T.J. Duchene"
wrote:
Hi, everyone! =)
With all this discussion about changes, I'd like to make sure that the
UNIX guru/programmer is represented. I've mentioned this before, and
I
hate repetition - BUT - I feel it is impo
+1
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 18:53:11 +0200
Didier Kryn wrote:
2) have vi only
You can't do that. Even the most enthusiastic vi/Vim advocate remembers
with horror the first few days he/she got dragged into vi/Vim. For the
purpose of a Linux installation, you need something beyond intuitive,
it must be o
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 07:23:44PM +0200, Nextime wrote:
> On July 19, 2015 7:07:09 PM CEST, Renaud OLGIATI
> wrote:
> >On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 18:53:11 +0200
> >Didier Kryn wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with you that, if an editor is as small and more
> >intuitive
> >> and self-explanatory than Nan
On 19/07/2015 20:07, Didier Kryn wrote:
You say "crapware"; I've also read "bloatware". Everyone complains
about GNU, including me, but I don't forget everyone is or should be
immensely gratefull for the wonderful software they provide to the
world, free and open. Think of gcc, glibc, emacs, late
Le 19/07/2015 19:40, T.J. Duchene a écrit :
-Original Message-
From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Didier Kryn
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 12:01 PM
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
Hey T.J.
Not Linuxisms, GNUisms
* On 2015 19 Jul 05:22 -0500, Ста Деюс wrote:
> Good time of the day, Micky.
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:24 +0200 you wrote:
>
> > I thing mc is useless: Real men don't eat quique.
>
> Do not know what is quique, and i'm seems to me, not a "real men", but
> the "MC" and it mceditor -- are a
On July 19, 2015 7:42:52 PM CEST, Go Linux wrote:
>On Sun, 7/19/15, Nextime wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Sunday, July 19, 2015, 12:23 PM
>
> [cut]
>
>> The issue, for me, is that after install i have to r
On Sun, 7/19/15, Nextime wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2015, 12:23 PM
[cut]
> The issue, for me, is that after install i have to remove nano,or at least
> change the
> $EDITOR env var. I don't like to fi
> -Original Message-
> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Didier Kryn
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 12:01 PM
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
>
> Hey T.J.
>
> Not Linuxisms, GNUisms.
On July 19, 2015 7:07:09 PM CEST, Renaud OLGIATI
wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 18:53:11 +0200
>Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>> I agree with you that, if an editor is as small and more
>intuitive
>> and self-explanatory than Nano, it can be a good choice. But let's
>not
>> complicate the problem by
On July 19, 2015 6:52:28 PM CEST, "T.J. Duchene" wrote:
>Hi, everyone! =)
>
>With all this discussion about changes, I'd like to make sure that the
>UNIX guru/programmer is represented. I've mentioned this before, and I
>hate repetition - BUT - I feel it is important enough that it should be
>sta
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 18:53:11 +0200
Didier Kryn wrote:
> I agree with you that, if an editor is as small and more intuitive
> and self-explanatory than Nano, it can be a good choice. But let's not
> complicate the problem by envisionning too many combinations. The
> proposed alternative wa
Le 19/07/2015 18:52, T.J. Duchene a écrit :
Hi, everyone! =)
With all this discussion about changes, I'd like to make sure that the UNIX
guru/programmer is represented. I've mentioned this before, and I hate
repetition - BUT - I feel it is important enough that it should be stated
separately
Le 19/07/2015 13:06, Ста Деюс a écrit :
Good time of the day, Didier.
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:20:27 +0200 you wrote:
With nano, how to save and exit, etc is writen permanently on the 2
bottom lines. If you were to explain how to navigate, insert or erase
text, save and exit with vi, the screen
Hi, everyone! =)
With all this discussion about changes, I'd like to make sure that the UNIX
guru/programmer is represented. I've mentioned this before, and I hate
repetition - BUT - I feel it is important enough that it should be stated
separately so that it is not overlooked. All this discu
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 04:37:55PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote:
> Good time of the day, Hendrik.
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:48:33 -0400 you wrote:
>
> > My entire problem with mc is that it's too easy to type mc when I
> > mean mv and instead of moving my file it gets me into a strange mode
> > I ha
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 05:36:56PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote:
> Good time of the day, Didier.
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:20:27 +0200 you wrote:
>
> > With nano, how to save and exit, etc is writen permanently on the 2
> > bottom lines. If you were to explain how to navigate, insert or erase
> >
Good time of the day, Didier.
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:20:27 +0200 you wrote:
> With nano, how to save and exit, etc is writen permanently on the 2
> bottom lines. If you were to explain how to navigate, insert or erase
> text, save and exit with vi, the screen wouldn't be large enough.
> Compl
Good time of the day, Didier.
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 00:41:18 +0200 you wrote:
> If the gurus use vim and dislike nano, since they are
> gurus, they can change the default themselves and leave the ordinary
> people with a limited but usable editor.
I think the reason is in the small images, that
I'm not agree with that.
I begin with debian ( at school ) and nano default editor permit to
focus learn how distro work and not how can write something.
First impressions are very important when we start with new distro.
The good solution is, for me, add in installer the choice of the default
éd
Good time of the day, Klaus.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:02:55 +0100 you wrote:
> Even though mc is something good for beginners but debian or devuan is
> not focusing on beginners and even devuan is focusing on "veteran unix
> admins" so vi(m) would be the only proper choice. :-D
I do not agree. I
Good time of the day, Micky.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:24 +0200 you wrote:
> I thing mc is useless: Real men don't eat quique.
Do not know what is quique, and i'm seems to me, not a "real men", but
the "MC" and it mceditor -- are a great software -- not only providing
a must functionality on an
Good time of the day, John.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:34:57 +0200 you wrote:
> Gets my vote - lost without mc and the first thing I always install
Me too. As we suppose "Devuan" to be for at least advanced users, many
of whom may, as the first stage of install process, simply install the
base of t
Good time of the day, Hendrik.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:48:33 -0400 you wrote:
> My entire problem with mc is that it's too easy to type mc when I
> mean mv and instead of moving my file it gets me into a strange mode
> I have to figure out how to get out of.
Pardon, but funny! :o)
Regards, Sth
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:04:43 -0700
jce wrote:
>
> But as far as the vi vs. nano as *default* editor thing, I think nano
> would generate a lot less "how do I get out of this thing?" traffic
> for devuan support.
>
Gentlemen, please excuse me if this seems blunt - but - I think the odds
of an
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 07:38:06AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:57:47PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > I'm a long time *nix user/contributor and have
> > never become comfortable with vi*, even after several tries. Which
> > editor you like is personal, like the food y
On 07/17/2015 06:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
Do you use joe by any chance? After Wordstar on my Kaypro 2x, I used
Wordstar keystrokes in the Borland products for years.
joe is a much more capable editor than nano, but just as lightweight and
easy to use. It has full block select/copy/move/delete fu
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:38:06 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:57:47PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > I'm a long time *nix user/contributor and have
> > never become comfortable with vi*, even after several tries. Which
> > editor you like is personal, like the food you ea
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:57:47PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> I'm a long time *nix user/contributor and have
> never become comfortable with vi*, even after several tries. Which
> editor you like is personal, like the food you eat, e.g. vegetarian or
> meat or ...
It's easier to change your fo
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 03:00:35PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> Guys, if you don't mind my saying so, I think that change to the sake of
> change is really not very useful.
>
> More importantly, Devuan needs to keep vi installed in any case, in
> order to conform to the POSIX standard. I'm tired
On 15/07/15 02:59, Franco Lanza wrote:
More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
nano -> vim
exim -> postfix
what do you guys thi
Guys, if you don't mind my saying so, I think that change to the sake of
change is really not very useful.
More importantly, Devuan needs to keep vi installed in any case, in
order to conform to the POSIX standard. I'm tired of the Linux
community deciding to ignore UNIX standards. If Devuan is
Le 16/07/2015 18:41, Isaac Dunham a écrit :
Honestly, the first time I encountered nano, I thought "How on earth do
you use this?"
In nano, like in every text editor except vi, you don't need to
change mode between navigation and typing. You navigate with arrows
(maybe that's less intuiti
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:41:08AM -0700, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> I'd like to respond to this, even though I think 'no change' is the best
> policy at the moment.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:41:18AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > Le 15/07/2015 18:02, Klaus Ethgen a écrit :
> > >Even though mc is s
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 21:25:08 -0300
hellekin wrote:
> On 07/15/2015 01:40 PM, Franco Lanza wrote:
> >
> > Well, in my personal opinion devuan should not focus on new users,
> > as nor debian does.
> >
> > For new users there are plenty of distros, most notable ubuntu, and
> > we should not compe
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:44:21AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Hendrik Boom"
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Micky Del Favero wrote:
> >> I vote to put vi as default editor in devuan because vi is the default
> >> editor in every unix since ever
I'd like to respond to this, even though I think 'no change' is the best
policy at the moment.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:41:18AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 15/07/2015 18:02, Klaus Ethgen a écrit :
> >Even though mc is something good for beginners but debian or devuan is
> >not focusing on beg
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:44:21AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Hendrik Boom"
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Micky Del Favero wrote:
> >> I vote to put vi as default editor in devuan because vi is the default
> >> editor in every unix since ever
- Original Message -
> From: "Hendrik Boom"
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Micky Del Favero wrote:
>> I vote to put vi as default editor in devuan because vi is the default
>> editor in every unix since ever and every unix user has to know how to
>> use vi!
>
> NO. Not every
Good time of the day, Micky.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:17:01 +0200 you wrote:
> I completely agree with Franco.
> On every unix the default editor is vi, so it must be in devuan, if
> somebody doesn't like it, he can use apt-get to install his favorite
> editor.
Let's look at another point of view
On 07/15/2015 01:40 PM, Franco Lanza wrote:
>
> Well, in my personal opinion devuan should not focus on new users, as
> nor debian does.
>
> For new users there are plenty of distros, most notable ubuntu, and we
> should not compete with it.
>
*** I STRONGLY oppose this view, and you already know
On 07/15/2015 07:41 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
> If the gurus use vim and dislike nano, since they are
> gurus, they can change the default themselves and leave the ordinary
> people with a limited but usable editor.
>
*** Totally agree: why put a burden on the profane when it takes two
seconds for an
Le 15/07/2015 21:04, Micky Del Favero a écrit :
I vote to put vi as default editor in devuan because vi is the default
editor in every unix since ever and every unix user has to know how to
use vi!
Micky,
First the argument that we should do this because it has always
been like that is
Le 15/07/2015 18:02, Klaus Ethgen a écrit :
Even though mc is something good for beginners but debian or devuan is
not focusing on beginners and even devuan is focusing on "veteran unix
admins" so vi(m) would be the only proper choice.:-D
I remember 30 years ago, there was an admin in my lab
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Micky Del Favero wrote:
> Svante Signell writes:
>
> > Please don't exchange nano for vim. If you install vim as default you
> > should also install emaacs-nox for those not comfortable with
> > vim. nano is a simple editor good enough to edit e.g. config
On 16/07/15 04:40, Franco Lanza wrote:
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:29:26AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
In that case, my next question would be "Do we want to cater to those who
are new to Linux/Unix?" If yes, then nano is a good choice. If no, then
vi is a good choice.
Well, in my personal opinio
On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 21:04 +0200, Micky Del Favero wrote:
> Svante Signell writes:
>
> > Please don't exchange nano for vim. If you install vim as default you
> > should also install emaacs-nox for those not comfortable with
> > vim. nano is a simple editor good enough to edit e.g. configuration
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 04:38:43PM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:35:03AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > Which is Devuan intended to be?
> >
> > 1) Debian without systemd
> > 2) A Debian-like distro
> >
>
> Nor 1 or 2.
> Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect:
> 1-
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 07:16:25PM +0200, Michael Bütow wrote:
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> +1 for not changing the defaults at this time.
>
> I feel this could start a multitude of little holy wars (editor, mta,
> etc.) which we don't need right now that the first goa
> > exim -> postfix
>
I'd like to suggest that Debian' use of a lightweight EXIM (not the
full EXIM) remain the default over Postfix.
I've managed and programmed Postfix servers before. It is not a
trivial task, nor do I believe that Postfix makes a best
replacement.
Postfix has several long
Svante Signell writes:
> Please don't exchange nano for vim. If you install vim as default you
> should also install emaacs-nox for those not comfortable with
> vim. nano is a simple editor good enough to edit e.g. configuration
> files and to enable installation of vim/emacs/whatever if needed.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:08:35 +0100
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> Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 1:59 schrieb Franco Lanza:
> > exim -> postfix
>
> Why not nullmailer?
I'd leave things the way they are.
If there's a way to have nullmailer, in the absen
On 07/15/2015 11:52 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
With the benefit of hindsight, having read everyone's responses, I now
vote like this: When in doubt, change nothing! I'd leave well enough
alone, and revisit this question after Devuan goes stable and we're
planning the next version. SteveT
SteveT,
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+1 for not changing the defaults at this time.
I feel this could start a multitude of little holy wars (editor, mta,
etc.) which we don't need right now that the first goal - "Debian, but
without systemd" - is within grasp.
Expert users can adapt fr
inux wrote:
> On Wed, 7/15/15, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2015, 11:02 AM
>
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> Am Mi den 15. Jul 2
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:29:26AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> In that case, my next question would be "Do we want to cater to those who
> are new to Linux/Unix?" If yes, then nano is a good choice. If no, then
> vi is a good choice.
Well, in my personal opinion devuan should not focus on new u
On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 02:59 +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
> to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>
> nano -> vim
> exim -> postfi
- Original Message -
From: "KatolaZ"
To: "Franco Lanza"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:59:51AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
More than the already know switch from gnome to
On Wed, 7/15/15, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2015, 11:02 AM
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> On 15/07/15 17:14, Klaus Eth
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Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 1:59 schrieb Franco Lanza:
> exim -> postfix
Why not nullmailer?
nullmailer is fine for most beginners and for more you want to choose
yourself.
I personally do not like pestfix. It has some drawbacks:
- - It is good for
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:44:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect:
> > 1- freedom of choice
> > 2- UNIX philosophy
> > 3- KISS philosophy
> >
> > Of course first of all those 3 points make systemd unacceptable.
>
> I'd say the second and third points a
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Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 16:27 schrieb John Crisp:
> On 15/07/15 17:14, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> >
> > mc respectible mcedit is also a pain in the a... How often did I loose
> > stuff due to the editor.. I have to damit that I used it sometimes 25
> >
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 02:59:51 +0200
Franco Lanza wrote:
> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i
> would to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>
> nano -> vim
> exim -> post
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +0200
Franco Lanza wrote:
> Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect:
> 1- freedom of choice
> 2- UNIX philosophy
> 3- KISS philosophy
>
> Of course first of all those 3 points make systemd unacceptable.
I'd say the second and third points also make systemd u
On 07/15/2015 06:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> I'm pretty sure oldschool vi *is* included in the basic install and
> always has been.
It usually is
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/vi.html
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/
and nano is not. But the fewer chan
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:32:40 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 04:20:36AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:03:21 +0200
> > Peter Maloney wrote:
> >
> > > just run "vimtutor" and do what it says... it's only difficult if
> > > you don't know the buttons.
> >
- Original Message -
> From: "Franco Lanza"
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:35:03AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
>> Which is Devuan intended to be?
>>
>> 1) Debian without systemd
>> 2) A Debian-like distro
>>
>
> Nor 1 or 2.
> Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect:
> 1- freedom of ch
On 15/07/15 17:14, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
>
> mc respectible mcedit is also a pain in the a... How often did I loose
> stuff due to the editor.. I have to damit that I used it sometimes 25
> years ago when I start with linux but i learned pretty fast that it
> makes you just slow and not to use it...
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Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 16:06 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +0200
> Franco Lanza wrote:
>
> > traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it.
>
> Except that Debian does not have it when a boot prob sends you t
On 15/07/15 17:00, Micky Del Favero wrote:
>
> I thing mc is useless: Real men don't eat quique.
Each to their - the wonder of choice.
I always did wonder why I never liked quiche though.
Clearly I'm not a real man. Must remember to tell my wife and sons ;-)
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On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:24 +0200
Micky Del Favero wrote:
> Real men don't eat quique.
No, they (bake and) eat quiche...
Cheers,
Ron.
--
Il est plus honteux de se défier de ses amis que d'en ètre trompé.
-- Duc de Larochefoucault
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +0200
Franco Lanza wrote:
> traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it.
Except that Debian does not have it when a boot prob sends you to the rescue
console ;-3(
Cheers,
Ron.
--
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Ста Деюс writes:
> coming w/ MC. -- I think that MC is a must for any distro -- for it is
> comfortable to manage files/dir.s w/ it. If so, why no to use the
On servers where mc is installed and I cannot remove it I always do
$ echo alias mc=mv >> ~/.bashrc && . ~/.bashrc
I thing mc is useless:
Franco Lanza writes:
> when in debian we have nano and vim-tiny installed by default and
> $EDITOR pointing to nano, i suggest to remove nano and point $EDITOR to
> vim-tiny.
+1 for pointing $EDITOR to vim-tiny
> When in debian exim is installed as default MTA, we should choose
> postfix instea
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:35:03AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> Which is Devuan intended to be?
>
> 1) Debian without systemd
> 2) A Debian-like distro
>
Nor 1 or 2.
Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect:
1- freedom of choice
2- UNIX philosophy
3- KISS philosophy
Of course first of all t
On 15/07/15 15:48, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 08:10:15PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote:
>> Good time of the day, Franco.
>>
>> I suggest instead of nano/vim -- mcedit -- the internal text editor,
>> coming w/ MC. -- I think that MC is a must for any distro -- for it is
>> comfortable to
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 08:10:15PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote:
> Good time of the day, Franco.
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 02:59:51 +0200 you wrote:
>
> > More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> > desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i
> > woul
Good time of the day, Franco.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 02:59:51 +0200 you wrote:
> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i
> would to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>
> nano
Good time of the day, Peter.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:03:21 +0200 you wrote:
> just run "vimtutor" and do what it says... it's only difficult if you
> don't know the buttons.
There is some magic w/ the buttons: they use keys that are not found on
keyboards -- i think it is a software from some pl
- Original Message -
> From: "Franco Lanza"
> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
> to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>
> nano -> vim
> exim -> postfix
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:59:51AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
> to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>
> nano -> vim
I'd
On Wed, 7/15/15, Franco Lanza wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2015, 6:19 AM
> Anyway, for all other pointing on "big changes" and so on, i
> don't mean to change anything other than:
>
> when in
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 06:55:59AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> > May I suggest that at this point, changes of this significance should be
> > planned for the next cycle rather than thrown in at the last moment?
Well, we are not exactly "at the last moment" as my proposition is that
such changes
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Haines Brown wrote:
> As for desktop environment, I assume the option of having none will remain.
> With all this talk of xfce, I hope those who use none will be accommodated.
Extrememly likely -- the current installer (since Debian jessie alpha
1 ?), which we ar
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:53:50PM -0700, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:59:51AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
> May I suggest that at this point, changes of this significance should be
> planned for the next cycle rather than thrown in at the last moment?
Yes, that makes sense. W
On 15/07/15 02:59, Franco Lanza wrote:
> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
> to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>
> nano -> vim
I think that one of the objecti
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:29 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:59:51AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
>> nano -> vim
> I believe it's not time for changes in the defaults. The first thing I
> do on fresh installs is to pull in vim and emacs, make one of them the
> default editor and rem
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 04:20:36AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:03:21 +0200
> Peter Maloney wrote:
>
> > just run "vimtutor" and do what it says... it's only difficult if you
> > don't know the buttons.
>
> I will come down on the other side of the argument: As a Debian
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:59:51AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote:
> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
> to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>
> nano -> vim
> exim ->
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:03:21 +0200
Peter Maloney wrote:
> just run "vimtutor" and do what it says... it's only difficult if you
> don't know the buttons.
I will come down on the other side of the argument: As a Debian noob (after
years of using Slack, Mandrake-Mandriva-Mageia) I was completely
Franco Lanza writes:
> More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default
> desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would
> to propose some other default changes in the standard install:
>
> nano -> vim
> exim -> postfix
I completely agree with Franco
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