On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 04:38:43PM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:35:03AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > > Which is Devuan intended to be? > > > > 1) Debian without systemd > > 2) A Debian-like distro > > > > Nor 1 or 2. > Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect: > 1- freedom of choice > 2- UNIX philosophy > 3- KISS philosophy > > Of course first of all those 3 points make systemd unacceptable. But > saying that devuan is just "debian withous systemd" is riductive.
The normal way of writing that first sentence would be Of course, first of all, those 3 points... > traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it. No packages > needs to be changed at all for this eventual switch, and anyway, > as devuan respect the users, this choice isn't an imposition from "the > hight", but it's a question to the whole ml userbase to listen pro/cons. For exactly the same reason I would conceptually like to have vi as the default editor. (But then, I've added POSIXLY_CORRECT=1 to my .profile, and removed bash from one of my Debian installs.) But I hesitate to support your proposal for a few reasons: * I don't think it's time to be changing Jessie in a way that has a big impact on how it's used. Someone who is familiar with Debian Jessie should not have any gotchas when installing Devuan Jessie. (This is what I meant when I said it was a 'major' change.) However, I think this *would* be a good time to decide if this should go into Ascii. * IMHO, Devuan cannot simply concede user-friendliness to other distros at this point. All those 'other distros' are systemd-based, and we would be essentially telling new users "You're better off using systemd'. When someone has already started a blend/spin that is tuned towards new users and it's going well, it might be good to revisit the issue. * including both nano and vi would seem to be a better way to respect freedom of choice. We're not talking about much disk space, but it's acceptable to more users than any of the alternatives. It's a nice thought, but I don't see it being a good idea at this time. Thanks, Isaac Dunham _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
