Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Yeah the old pinning won't work on ceres, but the new pinning does as far as I'm aware, or do I need to change that? Only recently went back to Jessie, so can't test my instructions atm. (from here https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan) On Wednesday,

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Florian Ziebolli wrote: >What entries do you have in your sources.list? Here it's only "jessie" >and "jessie-updates" from de.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ I'm using Unstable/Ceres. Starting from APT 1.1 pinning rules have changed. We had a conversation on it a month ago: https://lists.dyne.org/lurke

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:42:56 + (UTC) Mitt Green wrote: > $ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid-systemd > Package: systemd-sysv > Pin: release o=Debian > Pin-Priority: -1 > > $ sudo apt install systemd-sysv > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information..

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Forgot the link to the message: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151202.111959.bb508dfd.en.html ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Rainer Weikusat wrote: >What's the base for the claim that neither old nor new pinning methods >'work'? $ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid-systemd Package: systemd-sysv Pin: release o=Debian Pin-Priority: -1 $ sudo apt install systemd-sysv Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Mitt Green writes: > dev1fanboy, > > Since APT pinning no longer works, the purpose of > the guide [1] is uncertain to me. Judging from the Debian documenation on this, which I quoted last time you made this claim, there has been a minor syntax change in this area and the suggested configuration

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

dev1fanboy, Since APT pinning no longer works, the purpose of the guide [1] is uncertain to me. I would also add spacefm to the list [2]; transcript from the site [3]: "SpaceFM & udevil can be used completely without systemd, consolekit, policykit, dbus, udisks, gvfs & fuse (although it can coexi

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

dev1fanboy wrote: > Some suggestions for minor updates to quick start > translations. > > There is a change in devuan that means it's no longer > necessary to do "apt-get install sysvinit core" anymore, > also "apt-get install basefiles" is not necessary. > > As mentioned before, adding the user

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Some suggestions for minor updates to quick start translations. There is a change in devuan that means it's no longer necessary to do "apt-get install sysvinit core" anymore, also "apt-get install basefiles" is not necessary. As mentioned before, adding the user to the disk group is not needed

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

nice, I found that apt-get install sysvinit-core isn't needed to upgrade anymore either :) On Friday, January 15, 2016 1:14 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > On 01/15/2016 01:00 PM, "dev1fanboy" wrote: >> if people have self hosted versions they should update those to exclude >> those lines. > > I will d

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

On 01/15/2016 01:00 PM, "dev1fanboy" wrote: if people have self hosted versions they should update those to exclude those lines. I will do it. Thanks, Chillfan Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Thanks :) good to know I'm not off the mark by being expansive. It's interesting to know that raspberry pi is taking off because of that, building instructions for the bbb is on my list of stuff to do. On Friday, January 15, 2016 2:09 AM, Simon Wise wrote: > On 13/01/16 10:58, Florian Zieboll

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Thanks for offering to translate into german, Initially I asked for translations in the early stage because it was better than nothing for now, and hopefully people who don't speak english well enough can benefit in the here and now. I will post back when everything is looking right, there a fe

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 13/01/16 10:58, Florian Zieboll wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:34:20 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: hey Florian, I do try to include the inexperienced, hopefully that's not too boring for everyone else. I think I should probably change startx to startxfce4 this time, because it has it's own ses

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:52:27 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > minimal xorg and xfce4 install guides are now available Hallo Chillfan, when you think that your documentation has become somewhat stable and is not prone to bigger changes anymore, I'd like to offer to translate some more of it to german

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 08:48 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:30:16 +0100 > Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xinitrc   > > > > I already noticed this in your upgrade guide – and especially then it's not > > unlikely to break things when

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:16:18PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: [cut] > > > > Simple enough to change this into: > > > > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" >> ~/.xinitrc > > [rw@doppelsaurus]~#cat .xinitrc > xsetroot -solid grey36 > exec xterm Ahahahahahahah :D HND KatolaZ -- [ Enz

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

I think generally it will appeal to experienced users, and some non admin types coming over. I mostly had in mind people sitting on the sidelines who weren't sure how to migrate but are unhappy with the systemd situation. Still, I'll likely cut out some of the more obvious things for brevity lat

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:34:20 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > hey Florian, > > I do try to include the inexperienced, hopefully that's not too > boring for everyone else. > > I think I should probably change startx to startxfce4 this time, > because it has it's own session script It's kind of funn

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI writes: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:30:16 +0100 > Florian Zieboll wrote: > >> > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xinitrc >> >> I already noticed this in your upgrade guide – and especially then >> it's not unlikely to break things when using this kind of >> redirectio

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

hey Florian, I do try to include the inexperienced, hopefully that's not too boring for everyone else. I think I should probably change startx to startxfce4 this time, because it has it's own session script On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:30 AM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 0

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Svante Signell wrote: > What about: (saves a copy of the old file): > blah-blah-blah Why not simply check .xinitrc first and put "startxfce4" or whatever inside with a text editor? By the way, I have "startxfce4 --with-ck-launch." My two eurocents, Mitt__

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:36:03 +0100 Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 13:22 +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:48:45 -0300 > > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > [...] > > > > > > Yes – if there's no "exit" command contained in the > > existing .xinitrc.

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 13:22 +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:48:45 -0300 > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > Simple enough to change this into: > > > > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" >> ~/.xinitrc   > > > Yes – if there's no "exit" command contained in the existing .

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:48:45 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > Simple enough to change this into: > > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" >> ~/.xinitrc Yes – if there's no "exit" command contained in the existing .xinitrc. Florian ___ Dng maili

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:30:16 +0100 Florian Zieboll wrote: > > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xinitrc > > I already noticed this in your upgrade guide – and especially then it's not > unlikely to break things when using this kind of redirection, as a .xinitrc > might already exist.

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:52:27 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Minimal-XFCE4-install Hallo Chillfan, A quote from the guide: > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xinitrc I already noticed this in your upgrade guide – and especiall

[DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

minimal xorg and xfce4 install guides are now available https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Minimal-XFCE4-install https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Minimal-xorg-install cheers, chillfan -- Take back your privacy. Switch to www.StartMail.c

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 22/12/15 08:39, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 07:54:21AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote: deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main deb-src http://angban

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 07:54:21AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote: > >> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main > >> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main > >> >

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote: >> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main >> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main >> >> Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower, >> it

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Monday Adam Borowski wrote: >libupower-glib1 comes from upower sources, that's okay. Changing the soname >to that of upower 0.99 would lead to breakage, I'm using upower 0.9.23 which >is the last version before suspend/hibernate/etc functionality was removed. Then it's fine, thank you. M

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 03:14:23PM +, Mitt Green wrote: > On Monday Adam Borowski wrote: > > >Fixed. > > Now it depends on libupower-glib1, which is obsolete. There is > libupower-glib3 in Unstable. libupower-glib1 comes from upower sources, that's okay. Changing the soname to that of upow

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Monday Adam Borowski wrote: >Fixed. Now it depends on libupower-glib1, which is obsolete. There is libupower-glib3 in Unstable. Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote: > deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main > deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main > > Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower, > it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in U

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

dev1fanboy wrote: >True the apt pinning is broke there, and libsystemd0 may not be avoidable with >libpulse0 now depending on it. libpulse0 is available in those repos as well. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/c

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Thanks, that's all fixed now and the layout looks correct :) On Monday, December 21, 2015 12:45 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:51:07 - > "dev1fanboy" wrote: > >> Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've >> checked. >> >> Could you send the fi

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

True the apt pinning is broke there, and libsystemd0 may not be avoidable with libpulse0 now depending on it. On my list of things to do, so that users can seemlessly upgrade to Ceres or Testing without it breaking. I'll mention the angband repos and the upower issue too, thanks :) On Monday

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Hi, You have mentioned pinning libsystemd0 for Ceres in Wiki (https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Ceres-without-Systemd) but as I have written it does no longer work. There is no way to prevent this package from installing, one has to use these repositories: deb http:

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:51:07 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've > checked. > > Could you send the file in an attachment again? Here's the file. The change suggested in my other mail is already implemented (and two more details chang

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

If anyone can improve upon the Italian or German translations, please feel free to post in this thread to discuss it with other translators :) -- Take back your privacy. Switch to www.StartMail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://maili

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've checked. Could you send the file in an attachment again? On Monday, December 21, 2015 11:42 AM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:33:51 - > "dev1fanboy" wrote: > >> I enabled the issue tracker on the wiki s

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:33:51 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > I enabled the issue tracker on the wiki so if anyone has problems (or > suggestions) with the docs they can add it there if they like. > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home Hallo Fanboy, somehow the ch

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Hi Emiliano and dev1fanboy, On 16/12/15 22:04, Emiliano Marini wrote >Thanks, let me know if it needs corrections or has misspellings. I uploaded my translation to the following link: http://gnuinos.org/index.php/es/2015-12-20-23-42-21/guia-de-actualizacion-a-devuan-desde-debian Aitor. __

[DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

I enabled the issue tracker on the wiki so if anyone has problems (or suggestions) with the docs they can add it there if they like. https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home   -- Take back your privacy. Switch to www.StartMail.com _

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Hi LOL, On 18/12/15 12:13, Emiliano Marini wrote: LOL no problem, It must be our (argentinian) dialect. That's why I said I tried to keep it neutral. First, we do use "remover" as "remove" in Argentina. Second, about "...*que poder* utilizar...", we never use that kind of conjugation in A

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

LOL no problem, It must be our (argentinian) dialect. That's why I said I tried to keep it neutral. First, we do use "remover" as "remove" in Argentina. Second, about "...*que poder* utilizar...", we never use that kind of conjugation in Argentina (in Latin America I dare to say), it's really st

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Hi Emiliano, On 12/17/2015 02:07 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote: Thanks aitor_czr! remover --> eliminar <= synonyms xinit y iniciar --> xinit*e* iniciar <= ouch! un gestor de login*para* utilizar --> un gestor de login*que poder* utilizar <= it's badly conjugated, better use: "Si todo funci

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Thanks aitor_czr! remover --> eliminar <= synonyms xinit y iniciar --> xinit *e* iniciar <= ouch! un gestor de login *para* utilizar --> un gestor de login *que poder* utilizar <= it's badly conjugated, better use: "Si todo funciona correctamente, es posible agregar un gestor de login para po

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

On 17/12/15 12:48, aitor_czr wrote: On 16/12/15 22:04, Emiliano Marini wrote: >Thanks, let me know if it needs corrections or has misspellings. Your translation is very good, i only did minor changes: - Ahora es posible*continuar* con la actualización --> Ahora es posible *empezar* con

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Hi Emiliano, On 16/12/15 22:04, Emiliano Marini wrote: Thanks, let me know if it needs corrections or has misspellings. Your translation is very good, i only did minor changes: - Ahora es posible *continuar* con la actualización --> Ahora es posible *empezar* con la actualización (We just

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

For those with translations so far, please mention (in my mailbox, not on the ml) which name you would like to be credited under :) This way I can make sure people can make derivites of your translations when I post them and be sure it's properly binding. I will simply add Copyright (c) yourn

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Thanks Since it looks well liked the original post to this mailing list thread would be a good place to start. These pages from my wiki are more or less complete: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Of course :) On 12/17/2015 02:23 AM, dev1fanboy wrote: If you could let me know the link for that when it's posted I will link the page :) On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 4:06 PM, aitor_czr wrote: On 16/12/15 16:30, Emiliano Marini wrote: I'm from Argen

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

If you could let me know the link for that when it's posted I will link the page :)   On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 4:06 PM, aitor_czr wrote:   On 16/12/15 16:30, Emiliano Marini wrote: I'm from Argentina but I tried to keep it as neutral as possible: español/castellano Thanks for your

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Thanks for the translation, since there's more than one translations being offered I will try updating the original (https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan-and-minimalism) so people can continue with their translations. If anyone has a single translati

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Thanks, I had lost the original emails and so couldn't get back to you on that before - sorry about that. It looks good to me, so I'll add it with some formatting changes. Thanks again :)   On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:56 PM, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote:   Hi Dev1fanboy,   I revised the tr

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of licensing yet, so I'm not sure if that is binding or not. If it is, that is fine by me and I'll mention you didn't wish to claim ownership. Bear in mind though, I'm not representing Devuan, so it's more of just translation of my wiki docs rather than all

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Hallo Fanboy, I killed some time translating your quick start guide to german, see attachment. My translation of "configuring minimalism" is probably a bit square-edged. Some things that came to my mind when working on it: - It might be nice to mention the possible removal of gnome a bit ear

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Thanks, let me know if it needs corrections or has misspellings. On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:06 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 16/12/15 16:30, Emiliano Marini > wrote: > > I'm from Argentina but I tried to keep it as neutral as possible: > español/castellano > > > Thanks for your work, Emiliano. I

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

On 16/12/15 16:30, Emiliano Marini wrote: I'm from Argentina but I tried to keep it as neutral as possible: español/castellano Thanks for your work, Emiliano. I will review your translation shortly, and put it somewhere in both languages. I can also translate the guide to basque language :

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring, minimalism

On 16/12/2015 15:30, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Hi Dev1fanboy, I revised the translation (italian) and added The CC html code at the end of the text file (attached). I hope it fits the purpose If any italian speaker has 5 minutes to spare having a look at it I would be glad to incorp

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Here you have your guide translated to Spanish (Español). I'm from Argentina but I tried to keep it as neutral as possible: español/castellano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_given_to_the_Spanish_language Cheers! Emiliano. On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote: > Hi D

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Hi Dev1fanboy, I revised the translation (italian) and added The CC html code at the end of the text file (attached). I hope it fits the purpose If any italian speaker has 5 minutes to spare having a look at it I would be glad to incorporate any correction. In the meanwhile I will try to reg

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

I want to help with Spanish translations. What do you need/want to translate? On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:36 AM, dev1fanboy wrote: > Just wanted to mention if anyone wants to send me translations that would > be great. Please use CC-BY-SA 4.0 for anything you translate, and add > copyright inform

[DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Just wanted to mention if anyone wants to send me translations that would be great. Please use CC-BY-SA 4.0 for anything you translate, and add copyright information appropriately (check CC-BY-SA 4.0). On a related topic, someone sent me an italian translation before but I have lost the mails

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Hi, I just finished installation Devuan 1.0 on my i386 laptop. I logged most of the installation steps. Create a bootable USB stick I used Debian Wheezy installer because of few issues in Devuan Alpha version. In Debian installer, I chose Print server, Laptop, Standard system utilities for th

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 11/11/2015 12:37 AM, dev1fanboy wrote: > Ok, so for those who have been paying attention so far, I am missing some > information. > > Specifically it would be nice to confirm which branches work for the > upgrade. So far the following is known to work: > > Debian Wheezy > Devuan Jessie > Debia

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

If anyone has any pages or blogs or whatever that is relevant to devuan upgrades, or is copied from my wiki please let me know so I can add links. -- Take back your privacy. Switch to www.StartMail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://ma

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

The nice thing is the Devuan devs are already working on removing mandatory libsystemd0 for stable, and some packages will accept an installation with apt-get install packagename loginkit if you want to avoid systemd. I'll try to write up instructions for sure to include apt-pinning, much to

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

I think: - Devuan should add libsystemd0 and systemd packages to devuan-baseconf to exclude their appearance on one's system; - Devuan's first focus is stable, thus testing and unstable users should be able to solve packaging problems, which includes pinning and even forking packages (which shou

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Mitt Green wrote: > But I also have libsystemd0 file in /etc/apt/preferences.d containing: > > > > Package: libsystemd0 > Pin: origin "" > Pin-Priority: -1 > > Does anyone have any tips for getting more meaningful output from apt when something fails

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Sid/Unstable/Ceres is working too, but one has to pin gvfs (libs etc.), libpulse0 (and libpulse-mainloop-glib0) and rpcbind (from today; not sure about this one. For example, they removed libsystemd0 dependency from procps). I'd upgraded from Wheezy and have gvfs and udev from Wheezy (I also have u

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Ok, so for those who have been paying attention so far, I am missing some information. Specifically it would be nice to confirm which branches work for the upgrade. So far the following is known to work: Debian Wheezy > Devuan Jessie Debian Jessie = Devuan Jessie Debian Stretch = Devuan Ascii

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

I've added in the corrections, I wondered if gnome might survive the upgrade. Understand about giving up on your DE as I was using xfce for a very long time until recently but got fedup with how it looks and with dbus so switched to openbox. It can be configured to be as versatile as a deskto

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Dear All and dev1fanboy, this is just to let you know that I followed your guide to upgrade my debian wheezy install and it went very well! Thank you for the great instructions. It was a really messed up old installation and the upgrade sorted it out brilliantly. Just as a note, gnome was still t

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Le 09/11/2015 05:06, Sam a écrit : On 07/11/15 20:53, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 07/11/2015 11:02, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com a écrit : All that info is right as far as I can tell. gcc versions from /proc/version are labelled as debian for me too. The kernel remembers who has compiled it,

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 07/11/15 20:49, Jaromil wrote: > Dear Sam, > > On November 7, 2015 7:07:22 AM GMT+01:00, Sam >> Thanks again, but I fear that when folks on the other side of the world >> wake up and read about these exploits, I'll be given a stern dressing >> down for brazenly and recklessly mucking-up the st

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 07/11/15 20:32, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > All that info is right as far as I can tell. > > gcc versions from /proc/version are labelled as debian for me too. > > Try cat /etc/devuan_version > > Also try switching to the stock 4.x kernel that comes with testing, you > can do it by

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 07/11/15 20:53, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 07/11/2015 11:02, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com a écrit : >> All that info is right as far as I can tell. >> >> gcc versions from /proc/version are labelled as debian for me too. >> > > The kernel remembers who has compiled it, when, and where. If you

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/11/15 07:21, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring > minimalism. > > There are a lot of people talking about minimalism in Devuan and > some may be wondering if they can upgrade to Devu

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 151107-12:06+0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > ...on Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 11:10:49AM +0100, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr > wrote: > > > it is possible to use a testing kernel on the Devuan Stable Jessie 1.0, > > to then compile and deploy grsecurity-hardened kernel, much like I was > > Didn

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

...on Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 11:10:49AM +0100, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > it is possible to use a testing kernel on the Devuan Stable Jessie 1.0, > to then compile and deploy grsecurity-hardened kernel, much like I was Didn't actually try that on Devuan yet, but I wouldn't expect any

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Le 07/11/2015 11:02, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com a écrit : All that info is right as far as I can tell. gcc versions from /proc/version are labelled as debian for me too. The kernel remembers who has compiled it, when, and where. If you compile it yourself you'll be pleased to see your

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Dear Sam, On November 7, 2015 7:07:22 AM GMT+01:00, Sam >Thanks again, but I fear that when folks on the other side of the world >wake up and read about these exploits, I'll be given a stern dressing >down for brazenly and recklessly mucking-up the stable/testing/unstable >canon... such an attit

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

All that info is right as far as I can tell. gcc versions from /proc/version are labelled as debian for me too. Try cat /etc/devuan_version Also try switching to the stock 4.x kernel that comes with testing, you can do it by installing linux-image-amd64 package which I guess you don't have. W

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 07/11/15 15:23, Go Linux wrote: > > > On Fri, 11/6/15, Sam wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring > minimalism > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, November 6, 20

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 07/11/15 15:23, Go Linux wrote: > > > On Fri, 11/6/15, Sam wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring > minimalism > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, November 6, 20

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Fri, 11/6/15, Sam wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, November 6, 2015, 11:17 PM [snip] > But reinstating those was in principle easy owing to

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 04/11/15 07:21, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring > minimalism. > > There are a lot of people talking about minimalism in Devuan and > some may be wondering if they can upgrade to Devuan. The answer is > yes, you can upgrade to Devua

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 09:37:40PM -, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > Of course it's not mandatory to reboot after an upgrade. There is a > reason for instructing a reboot in this case - to avoid any > potential problems with drivers that need to be reinstalled. This > way they can test t

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Good time of the day, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com. On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:51:47 - you wrote: > Hopefully I will be starting a wiki for > all this info and more to go into in the near future, but for now I > want to just put it out there for people trying to upgrade their > current system

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On 151104-18:07-, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > I'm still getting used to the mailing list so sorry if this starts a second > post > > I didn't realise I would get such a good response for sharing a little > knowledge, thanks to everyone for the compliments and for resharing. I > poste

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Steve Litt [2015-11-04 15:37]: > Now of course, if I'm troubleshooting a system serving hotel > reservations to millions of people, I'd reboot only as the very last > resort. I'd build a parallel system and exploit the differences or > similarities rather than rebooting. But if it's my own desktop

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Simon Hobson [2015-11-04 15:19]: > KatolaZ wrote: > >> > ... but please: do not urge people >> > to reboot, ever. There is simply no need at all to reboot, and in the >> > ovewhelming majority of use cases it is not necessary at all to use >> > the latest kernel available, unless ... > With all

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Hi aitor, yes I am who interviewed Dani on my podcast, it was a great experience. Not videos yet, but we have pictures and slides, 2015.opennebulaconf.com Cheers On 4 de novembre de 2015 13:13:39 CET, aitor_czr wrote: >Hi cangrejo, > >Are you who interviewed the author of AmayaOS in a radio t

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Of course it's not mandatory to reboot after an upgrade. There is a reason for instructing a reboot in this case - to avoid any potential problems with drivers that need to be reinstalled. This way they can test that their xserver will start as in the next step.  I also used the word reboot ag

[DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

I'm still getting used to the mailing list so sorry if this starts a second post I didn't realise I would get such a good response for sharing a little knowledge, thanks to everyone for the compliments and for resharing. I posted here just hoping to help someone for now until I had more to sh

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:08:46 + KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 08:51:47PM -, > dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > > > [cut] > > > > > Now you should simply reboot so that you are using the kernel > > shipped with Devuan: > > > > root@devuan:~# reboot > > > > Thank you ve

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

KatolaZ wrote: > ... but please: do not urge people > to reboot, ever. There is simply no need at all to reboot, and in the > ovewhelming majority of use cases it is not necessary at all to use > the latest kernel available, unless ... With all due respect, I disagree with that. I don't general

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