Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-05 Thread m712
On November 5, 2017 12:16:53 AM GMT+03:00, Adam Borowski wrote: >On Sat, Nov 04, 2017 at 05:29:00PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > >> his very rigid attitude to freedom in software > >I'd prefer if this attitude was more rigid. > >For example, AGPL -- even worse as GPL-3

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-05 Thread m712
On November 4, 2017 8:29:00 PM GMT+03:00, Simon Hobson wrote: >m712 wrote: > >> I'd really like to meet Richard Stallman in person. I hope I can, >someday. > >I've met him briefly when he did a speaking tour in the UK. >He has a reputation

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-05 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 at 22:16:53 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Nov 04, 2017 at 05:29:00PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > >> his very rigid attitude to freedom in software > > I'd prefer if this attitude was more rigid. > > For example, AGPL -- even worse as GPL-3 allows

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Nov 04, 2017 at 05:29:00PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > his very rigid attitude to freedom in software I'd prefer if this attitude was more rigid. For example, AGPL -- even worse as GPL-3 allows an "upgrade" to this non-free crock. It breaks FSF Freedom 0 "the freedom to use for any

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > Indeed! Without him who knows if the free software movement even would > have started, let alone be as successful as it is... > > I may disagree on his views with certain things, but software freedom I > most definitely agree with him on for most things.

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread zap
> I've met him briefly when he did a speaking tour in the UK. > He has a reputation for being direct and taking questions literally - and > that's how I found him. I assume it's just the way he is, some of us are like > that. I think that's part of the reason many people "dislike" him - if you

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread Simon Hobson
m712 wrote: > I'd really like to meet Richard Stallman in person. I hope I can, someday. I've met him briefly when he did a speaking tour in the UK. He has a reputation for being direct and taking questions literally - and that's how I found him. I assume it's

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread m712
On 11/04/2017 02:09 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > >>> I sometimes have Richard Stallman as a house guest, >> Walk on egg shells much? > Seriously, Richard Stallman is a gracious and pleasant guest. > He's also extremely funny. > > I was at a Chinese

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Samstag, 4. November 2017 schrieb John Hughes: > > On 03/11/17 21:08, J. Fahrner wrote: > > > > Windows NT is based on DEC VMS, not a very modern OS ;-) > > I.E. more "modern" than Unix. > > Being "modern" is not always a good thing.  I'd have assumed that wasn't > a controversial idea

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 04/11/2017 à 00:35, John Hughes a écrit : Being "modern" is not always a good thing.  I'd have assumed that wasn't a controversial idea around here.     Regression is often saled in the name of modernity, for hiden political reasons. ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-04 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 20:58:24 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I know little about this Hurd 'little' thing, but it gives me the > shivers like systemd. Similar to the latter, there is a small core at > the centre with all the other helper executables intercommunicating. > Sounds

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread zap
> I.E. more "modern" than Unix. > > Being "modern" is not always a good thing.  I'd have assumed that > wasn't a controversial idea around here. > You are talking sense, yes modern is very often bad alas... > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread John Hughes
On 03/11/17 20:58, Edward Bartolo wrote: I know little about this Hurd 'little' thing, but it gives me the shivers like systemd. Ah.  "I know little about it but I don't like it". Similar to the latter, there is a small core at the centre with all the other helper executables

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread John Hughes
On 03/11/17 21:08, J. Fahrner wrote: Windows NT is based on DEC VMS, not a very modern OS ;-) I.E. more "modern" than Unix. Being "modern" is not always a good thing.  I'd have assumed that wasn't a controversial idea around here. ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > I sometimes have Richard Stallman as a house guest, > > Walk on egg shells much? Seriously, Richard Stallman is a gracious and pleasant guest. He's also extremely funny. I was at a Chinese restaurant with him once, and decided to try to yank

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
If I am remember well, MS Windows (the operating system) does have a micro-kernel, but is it more efficient with an extra layer of intercommunication? Windows NT is based on DEC VMS, not a very modern OS ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler Based on VMS, right, like Linux is based on

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2017-11-03 20:58, schrieb Edward Bartolo: If I am remember well, MS Windows (the operating system) does have a micro-kernel, but is it more efficient with an extra layer of intercommunication? Windows NT is based on DEC VMS, not a very modern OS ;-)

[DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Edward Bartolo
I know little about this Hurd 'little' thing, but it gives me the shivers like systemd. Similar to the latter, there is a small core at the centre with all the other helper executables intercommunicating. Sounds too complicated to get the added advantage, of having a very minimal kernel running

[DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:25:58 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > I sometimes have Richard Stallman as a house guest, Walk on egg shells much? Next time he's at your house, recite the following sentence: "Richard, I'm so glad you contributed all your user utilities to the Linux