Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-24 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Steve, On 15/3/20 16:39, Steve Litt wrote: All of these are good ideas, but if it were me, I'd prioritize simple-netaid-dmenu, in which all from-list selection and all user input is done via dmenu. Gtk2, Gtk3, qt5, and ncurses are all fairly big libraries. Dmenu is tiny and depends only on

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-20 Thread tom
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 05:33:04 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 19, 2020, tom wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 > > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > > > What, then, is so bad about PCI? Or hell, even ISA? > > > > > > Sure, it's super-limiting in terms of what you can buy off the > > >

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-20 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 19, 2020, tom wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > What, then, is so bad about PCI? Or hell, even ISA? > > > > Sure, it's super-limiting in terms of what you can buy off the shelf > > -- but then again, so was the "compatible with Arduino(tm)" market

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-19 Thread tom
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 16, 2020, tom wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:38:04 -0400 > > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > > On Mar 15, 2020, tom wrote: > > > > [...] The biggest technical problem is the > > > > lack of ASIC northbridge, or rather something to

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-17 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 17, 2020, terryc wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > I guess what I'm trying to ask is what would be so bad about a "RISC-V > > Hobby Linux Machine(tm)" only offering these "older" peripheral > > connectivity interfaces in interests of being inexpensive

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-17 Thread terryc
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > I guess what I'm trying to ask is what would be so bad about a "RISC-V > Hobby Linux Machine(tm)" only offering these "older" peripheral > connectivity interfaces in interests of being inexpensive and also > preserving end-user freedom? >

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-16 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 16, 2020, tom wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:38:04 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > On Mar 15, 2020, tom wrote: > > > [...] The biggest technical problem is the > > > lack of ASIC northbridge, or rather something to interface the CPU > > > to an PCIE bus. Currently the best thing

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-16 Thread tom
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:38:04 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 15, 2020, tom wrote: > > [...] The biggest technical problem is the > > lack of ASIC northbridge, or rather something to interface the CPU > > to an PCIE bus. Currently the best thing available you can get is > > an FPGA and it is a

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-16 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 15, 2020, tom wrote: > [...] The biggest technical problem is the > lack of ASIC northbridge, or rather something to interface the CPU to > an PCIE bus. Currently the best thing available you can get is an FPGA > and it is a severe bandwidth bottleneck. It's also super expensive > getting

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-16 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 14, 2020, Mark Rousell wrote: > I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... > > On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: > > involves programming, and most people can't > > do that. > > > > Oh really? 12 lines of code and they can't do it (or have a friend help > > do it)? > >

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-16 Thread tom
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:20:51 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:20:24PM -0700, tom wrote: > > > > But this may be a stop-gap if you /really/ need to get an X86 > > machine you already have running. My advice is to stop buying X86 > > in the future and invest in other arches.

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:20:24 -0700 tom wrote: > My advice is to stop buying X86 in the future and invest in other > arches. I love that virtualization has come so far that I don't have to care what I run my stuff on. ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:20:24PM -0700, tom wrote: > > But this may be a stop-gap if you /really/ need to get an X86 machine > you already have running. My advice is to stop buying X86 in the future > and invest in other arches. Like what the libre-risv / libre-soc project is working on (

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread tom
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 06:05:49 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > Actually, we've got more to fear with hardware [and the lower level > firmware / EFI / SecureBoot / IME / vPro and other crap] these days > whether we avoid Winblows or not. > > The Intel and AMD flaws, Intel Management Engine

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 16/3/20 5:51 am, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > On 13/3/20 1:59 pm, Steve Litt wrote: >> It's called POSIX. With POSIX, I always have shellscripts, AWK and sort >> ready to do my work for me. With POSIX, I can pipe a stdout into the >> next stdin. With POSIX, I can plug in anything

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 13/3/20 1:59 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > It's called POSIX. With POSIX, I always have shellscripts, AWK and sort > ready to do my work for me. With POSIX, I can pipe a stdout into the > next stdin. With POSIX, I can plug in anything conforming to POSIX, > such as dmenu, a genius of a program

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 14:51:51 +0100 aitor wrote: > Hi, > > On 13/3/20 4:24, onefang wrote: > > After implementing some of their protocols, I started calling > > FreeDesktop.Org FatDesktop.Obscenities. > After reading some comments on this thread, i decided to develop also > another interface

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:08:37 + Mark Rousell wrote: > I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... > > On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: > > involves programming, and most people can't > > do that. > > > > Oh really? 12 lines of code and they can't do it (or have a friend >

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Dimitris via Dng
On 3/15/20 9:35 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Sat, 14 Mar 23:54:07 -0700 > tom scripsit: >> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:08:37 + >> Mark Rousell wrote: >> >>> I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... >>> >>> On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: involves

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 14 Mar 23:54:07 -0700 tom scripsit: > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:08:37 + > Mark Rousell wrote: > > > I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... > > > > On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: > > > involves programming, and most people can't > > > do that. >

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread tom
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:08:37 + Mark Rousell wrote: > I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... > > On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: > > involves programming, and most people can't > > do that. > > > > Oh really? 12 lines of code and they can't do it (or have a friend >

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-14 Thread Mark Rousell
I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: > involves programming, and most people can't > do that. > > Oh really? 12 lines of code and they can't do it (or have a friend help > do it)? Really. There is no way on earth that the average

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-13 Thread Rainer Weikusat via Dng
Steve Litt writes: [...] > FreeDesktop.Org doesn't like me doing 90 minutes of programming > (and actually Lego(R) block assembly). Their preferred method goes > something like this: > > * Use Gnome. > * Find Gnome software that solves your problem: > - Ask your LUG > - Ask on

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-13 Thread spiralofhope
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:59:28 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > For me, it's all about POSIX. I immediately understood the UNIX philosophy when I first heard of it; tiny, single-purpose programs which can be stitched together. I agreed with it, but found all the tools incredibly complex mainly because

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-12 Thread onefang
On 2020-03-12 22:59:28, Steve Litt wrote: > Now the guys from FreeDesktop would read this email and wring their > hands: Oh, no, your kludge involves programming, and most people can't > do that. > > Oh really? 12 lines of code and they can't do it (or have a friend help > do it)? FreeDesktop.Org

[DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-12 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, A recent discussion here reminded me why I really like Linux. And then a couple hours later I had a need... I have four 8 foot shelving units: Three with seven shelves and one with eight. Over the years, stuff's just been crammed into them, and the situation is busting my productivity