Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering iron and cheap plunger type solder sucker..☺ On 19 March 2018 5:20:58 PM NZDT, Steve Litt wrote: >On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:23:15 -1000 >Joel Roth wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:23:15 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use > >

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On 16.03.18 21:23, Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote: > > Gak, they are the reliable ones. > > Everything later only lasts for a few years and you have to buy another > > round of hardware. > > Often hardware is discarded due to failed electrolytic

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use them > > with their original software to do what they did so well back in the > > day.

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use them > with their original software to do what they did so well back in the > day. Drive em around on Sunday afternoon and show them off, but leave >

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 22:32:34 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Exemplars of antiquated designs, being both physically very old and > (typically) no longer in stock hardly anywhere, are fragile and can be > expected to have very limited and unpredictable remaining service > life. As

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:37:56 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Personally, I think it makes a lot more sense to let this stuff go. > IMO, Devuan has enough to handle without delving into specialty hardware. Well, Yes you're right on the G3 (Mine is running freebsd; I use it as a tty

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > There are a couple kinds of specialty hardware: > > 1) Antiquated stuff > > 2) Newish stuff that just might make it Granted, and a fair point. So, I'll clarify that for my own present discussion, I've been talking entirely, exclusively about

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:37:56 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Luciano Mannucci (luci...@vespaperitivo.it): > > > Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines under KVM/Qemu on an > > IBM S802L Power8 are'nt enough... (I could provide them :) > > I have an old G4 MacBook

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

Correcting: > I have an antique G3 Macbook, so I'm one up on you, there. ;-> It > still functions, for long-ago values of 'function'. Technically, it's a G3 _iBook_. I'm unclear off the top of my head, especially after so many years, whether any machine was called 'Macbook' back in the

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

Quoting Luciano Mannucci (luci...@vespaperitivo.it): > Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines under KVM/Qemu on an > IBM S802L Power8 are'nt enough... (I could provide them :) > I have an old G4 MacBook that I should check to see if it is still > working... I have an antique G3 Macbook,

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 11:46:13 + KatolaZ wrote: > the main issue is that we basically have no PPC build hosts > available. If we had (and if there is a bunch of users interested in > testing that stuff out), we could definitely provide PPC support. Hmm, I guess that a

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:34:19PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to > > give some money to them. But they also currently use a

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to > give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware design. > > [1] https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/ Are there

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

IMHO.. Since it's a niche area, the cost of freedom on PC hardware is just too high. I think low cost SBC's which have less issues ought to get more attention than they do. Some of these boards can already run on only free software and in some cases users will only miss out on 3d graphics

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

thanks Martin for sharing your experience! your liberating "rant" comes with some useful insights and a good call I also share FWIW, what we do at Dyne (thanks to Parazyd who is leading this activity) is use x220 and x230 refurbished models we buy from another non-profit foundation in the

[DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

Dear Jaromil. Jaromil - 11.03.18, 09:10: > 3- They produce new hardware instead of recycling existing one, >something I do not like for many enviromental reasons. Rant ahead, but hopefully still a somewhat constructive one: I am actually thinking along this line and instead of ordering a