Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:44:01 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20160712114401.GA27051@reflex>: > On Fri, 08 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..this clearly is where we could have used a http://groklaw.net/ > > style website. > > Groklaw was great not because of the website, but because of the

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Fri, 08 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..this clearly is where we could have used a http://groklaw.net/ > style website. Groklaw was great not because of the website, but because of the editorial work PJ put into it and because of the community it gathered. the infrastructure can be minimal,

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:00:55 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:33:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > I don't use Slackware because their package manager won't figure out > > dependencies for me, causing me to need 10x the time to install some > >

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Am Montag, 11. Juli 2016 schrieb emnin...@riseup.net: > 1] I remember a novel of H. P. Lovecraft where there is a monster, > which, once it'll be awaken it would engulf all the world. I believe to > remember its name was jabbawagga, but it's only a vague memory ... ;) Cthulhu :-) -- Please

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Hi Arnt! Am Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:07:56 + schrieb Arnt Karlsen : > > > > I don't use Slackware because their package manager won't figure out > > dependencies for me, causing me to need 10x the time to install some > > things (and I install a lot of stuff --- did I ever

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:33:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I don't use Slackware because their package manager won't figure out > dependencies for me, causing me to need 10x the time to install some > things (and I install a lot of stuff --- did I ever mention I write > books for a living?).

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:32:04 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:33:43 -0400, Steve wrote in message > <20160711123343.5c936...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > > > On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:00:02 +0200 > > wrote: > > > > > Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:33:43 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20160711123343.5c936...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:00:02 +0200 > wrote: > > > Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:47:57 + > > schrieb Joel Roth : > > > > > What's your experience with

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:00:02 +0200 wrote: > Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:47:57 + > schrieb Joel Roth : > > > What's your experience with slackware and its > > dependency/packaging system? > > Generally, i like it. It has way less dependencies compared to

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:47:57 + schrieb Joel Roth : > What's your experience with slackware and its > dependency/packaging system? Generally, i like it. It has way less dependencies compared to debian. And in the end it's quite well manageable. Only, it's really so slow as

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Am Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:54:31 + > schrieb Steve Litt : > > > No seriously, a lot of developers aren't jumping on the bandwagon. > > Witness Samba retaining their --without-systemd compile flag. Observe > > Funtoo and Void both saying

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Am Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:54:31 + schrieb Steve Litt : > No seriously, a lot of developers aren't jumping on the bandwagon. > Witness Samba retaining their --without-systemd compile flag. Observe > Funtoo and Void both saying "systemd never!" Alpine forgot to switch >

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:27:24 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20160708122724.51ece...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:34:27 +0900 > Simon Walter wrote: > > > Absolutely. Lennart's attitude of "it's free, so don't complain" > > I'm going to go to the lake nearest

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 21:40:03 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > Totally agree and am very thankful for the community, but so far, > everyone that I know of, except for this group here, has bowed to > Lennart's (and Red Hat's) "amazing wisdom." > > The image I get from the web is

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:34:27 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > Absolutely. Lennart's attitude of "it's free, so don't complain" I'm going to go to the lake nearest Lennart's house, and dump a ton of mercury into it. When he complains, I'll say "it's free, so don't complain".

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 02:14:44 +0200 wrote: > Am Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:00:02 + > schrieb Steve Litt : > > Hi Steve! > > > The whole systemd thing is one big propaganda war. It's not about > > tech. Saying systemd is about tech is like saying a

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On 07/08/2016 05:01 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:34:27PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote: Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent interruption by the idiot during the presentation? It was a real video footage.

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:34:27 +0900, Simon wrote in message <577f5783.8050...@gikaku.com>: > On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote: > > > > Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent > > interruption by the idiot during the presentation? > > > > It was a real video

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:34:27PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote: > > > >Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent > >interruption by the idiot during the presentation? > > > >It was a real video footage. A drunken idiot went to the

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote: Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent interruption by the idiot during the presentation? It was a real video footage. A drunken idiot went to the stage at the end of presentation carrying a bear bottle on one hand. I

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent interruption by the idiot during the presentation? It was a real video footage. A drunken idiot went to the stage at the end of presentation carrying a bear bottle on one hand. I posted the video link to other FOSS forum.

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Am Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb Steve Litt : Hi Steve! > The whole systemd thing is one big propaganda war. It's not about > tech. Saying systemd is about tech is like saying a Molotov Cocktail > is about building construction. > > Anyway, this video is

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:48:29 +0200 wrote: > Am Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:21:29 + > schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR > > > > I didn't realize this: It's heart breaking :-( . > >

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Am Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:21:29 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > On 20.02.2016 01:02, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Did you watch the following video? > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR > > > > yeah, that incident of

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:23:23 +0200, metux IT consult wrote in message <577b7c8b.2070...@gr13.net>: > On 20.02.2016 01:02, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Did you watch the following video? > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR > > yeah,

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On 05.07.2016 11:48, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 20.02.2016 20:56, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux >> users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at >> unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On 20.02.2016 20:56, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux > users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at > unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from different > flavours of Linux (aka distributions) use the same

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On 20.02.2016 01:02, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi all, > > Did you watch the following video? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR yeah, that incident of Lennart's hate speech is pretty well known (at least over here in Germany). actually, I already used

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:21:00PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 17:16:32 +0400 > anon.ud...@subscribed.udmvt.ru wrote: > > I'd think twice before phrasing this as an age issue (the way > PoetterPoser does). I've seen photos of (vdev creator) Jude Nelson, > and he doesn't look

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Steve Litt wrote: > Why this is important is that, to the extent this is perceived as an > age thing (with the must-have pejorative "neckbeard" or "graybeard"), > you give PoetterPoser more credibility when he characterizes systemd > resistance as "you can't teach an

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 17:16:32 +0400 anon.ud...@subscribed.udmvt.ru wrote: > For example, my friends are split: > the older generations are looking for a viable alternative for a > migration, or have already migrated (FreeBSD, yes) their desktops and > servers, the young generation can't comprehend

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 02:38:56PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 03:22:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Katolaz, don't you recall how many times we've read about "The > > year of the Linux Desktop", which never happened? And don't you > > remember Gnome 3

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad according to Mark Twain

Nice quote. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:04:11PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Steve Litt writes: > > > > [...] > > > > > Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad according to Mark Twain

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:04:11PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > [...] > > > Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section on > > debating Poettering himself, and that section refers heavily to the > > video you mention: > >

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:52:12 +, Simon wrote in message <74d53005-88bb-489e-acdf-7619c26b3...@thehobsons.co.uk>: > KatolaZ wrote: > > > The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux > > servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations, > >

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 03:22:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > > Katolaz, don't you recall how many times we've read about "The > year of the Linux Desktop", which never happened? And don't you > remember Gnome 3 made the desktop look like a tablet? > Yes, I do remember very well.

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Le 22/02/2016 15:38, KatolaZ a écrit : The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations, and those who can't are switching to something else (either Devuan, or other systemd-free distros, or FreeBSD). That's very

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Le 22/02/2016 13:52, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : kato...@freaknet.org writes: Well, if GNOME, KDE, and freedesktop guys are still convinced that they have any chance to scratch the shares of Android and iOS on mobles, then they might have somehow lost contact with reality. This is why all the

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

kato...@freaknet.org writes: Well, if GNOME, KDE, and freedesktop guys are still convinced that they have any chance to scratch the shares of Android and iOS on mobles, then they might have somehow lost contact with reality. This is why all the systemd-fuss looks incredibly stupid to my ignorant

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On 02/20/2016 02:56 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I will add my two cents to the stream of comments. > > I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux > users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at > unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On 21/02/16 07:58, Mitt Green wrote: Edward Bartolo wrote: I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux users are also desktop users. LOL, since when most Linux users are desktop users? Linux market share on desktop is around 1-2%, while on servers open-source

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Edward Bartolo wrote: >I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most >Linux users are also desktop users. LOL, since when most Linux users are desktop users? Linux market share on desktop is around 1-2%, while on servers open-source operating systems maintain around 90%

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Hi, I will add my two cents to the stream of comments. I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from different flavours of Linux (aka distributions) use the same

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

* On 2016 20 Feb 01:17 -0600, dev1fanboy wrote: > Seen this before, I think he is a little gullible in this presentation > to believe there would be a reasonable back and forth and allows a > dialogue to take place during his presentation. The video is about 2 1/2 years old. People could be

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Le 20/02/2016 03:47, Emiliano Marini a écrit : Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to adopt systemd, it's distribution developers fault. If Gnome forces a dependency upon systemd, dump Gnome. He's just shamelessly lying. He makes everything possible to force

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

   Emiliano Marini wrote: >He isn't forcing anyone to adopt systemd, it's distribution >developers fault. He himself isn't, the company he works at does. We don't know the relationship between TC of Debian and RH. >If Gnome forces a dependency upon systemd, dump >Gnome. It doesn't really

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Not altogether true, but users can and should jump ship immediately when these things happen (assuming they're not happy with it). Cheers, chillfan On Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:47 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Seen this before, I think he is a little gullible in this presentation to believe there would be a reasonable back and forth and allows a dialogue to take place during his presentation. So he really shouldn't have allowed a debate until the end, but he had made some good points here I thought.

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to adopt systemd, it's distribution developers fault. If Gnome forces a dependency upon systemd, dump Gnome. If you don wan't to sacrifice (name any piece of crap forcing a systemd dependency), it's your fault. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at

[DNG] systemd==bad

Hi all, Did you watch the following video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR A conference by a system administrator interrupted by Lennart Poettering (at the end of that). Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng