Re: [DNG] [Dng] vdev status update: device properties and udev compatibility

2015-06-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 04:40:33PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 25/06/2015 07:04, Jude Nelson a écrit : In time, it will also work the busybox tools, but I am still working on getting busybox's blkid to work here (specifically, we need the -p flag to work in order to get low-level partition

Re: [DNG] [Dng] vdev status update: device properties and udev compatibility

2015-06-29 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Isaac, On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 04:40:33PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 25/06/2015 07:04, Jude Nelson a écrit : In time, it will also work the busybox tools, but I am still working on getting busybox's blkid to

Re: [DNG] [Dng] vdev status update: device properties and udev compatibility

2015-06-25 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 25/06/15 17:04, Jude Nelson wrote: Hey everyone, After a longer-than-expected development cycle, I have the latest news for vdev. The TL;DR is that vdev has gained enough infrastructure to generate the information that normally gets put in /run/udev. This is important for most libudev

Re: [DNG] [Dng] vdev status update: device properties and udev compatibility

2015-06-25 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 01:04:24AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: Hey everyone, After a longer-than-expected development cycle, I have the latest news for vdev. The TL;DR is that vdev has gained enough infrastructure to generate the information that normally gets put in /run/udev. This is

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update (2015-05-03)

2015-05-15 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/05/2015 23:16, shraptor shraptor a écrit : am not a 100% with what toolchain means. did you compile for 32bit or 64bit? Toolchain generally means the stuff necessary to build new programs from source. It includes gcc, binutils, the system libraries, the system headers and the

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update (2015-05-03)

2015-05-14 Thread Jack L. Frost
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 03:33:06AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: I'm not a Slackware or Arch user, but please let me know if there's anything I can do to make packaging easier? I don't want to make things needlessly difficult :) I've dropped an issue on github about the new Makefiles, yeah :)

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update (2015-05-03)

2015-05-14 Thread shraptor shraptor
I would be interested in a static Vdev. Didier could you please give some info how this was done especially any gotcha's you found? On Thursday, May 14, 2015, Jack L. Frost f...@fleshless.org wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 03:33:06AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: I'm not a Slackware or Arch

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update (2015-05-03)

2015-05-14 Thread James Powell
From: Jude Nelsonmailto:jud...@gmail.com Sent: ‎5/‎14/‎2015 12:33 AM To: James Powellmailto:james4...@hotmail.com Cc: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update (2015-05-03) Hi James, On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:04 AM, James

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update (2015-05-03)

2015-05-14 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Steve, On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2015 23:24:42 -0400 Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I have the latest news for vdev: * vdev now creates symlinks for: -- /dev/v4l/by-path --

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update (2015-05-03)

2015-05-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/05/2015 15:40, shraptor shraptor a écrit : I would be interested in a static Vdev. Didier could you please give some info how this was done especially any gotcha's you found? Hi Shraptor. I have been working for almost one year, partial time, on building a sysrooted gcc-4.7

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-15 Thread Jaromil
cheers to vdev! On Tue, 14 Apr 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: I'm using it as the device manager in my copy of the alpha Vagrant image, and others have tested it locally (but not for booting, AFAIK).* I'm working on getting it to boot the the qcow2 image, which boots from LVM. FYI and

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Anto wrote: On 14/04/15 17:48, Jude Nelson wrote: I'm using it as the device manager in my copy of the alpha Vagrant image, and others have tested it locally (but not for booting, AFAIK).?? I'm working on getting it to boot the the qcow2 image, which

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-14 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Anto, Thanks a lot for all your efforts on this. My pleasure :) It looks like we are getting closer now, or at least to be able to compile vdev as a deb package. And it seems the only package that needs to be re-compile is initramfs. Do you think it is reasonable now to start

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-14 Thread Anto
On 14/04/15 17:11, Jude Nelson wrote: Hey everyone, I didn't have much time to work on vdev this weekend, but I did manage to make the vdev installation process easier. The build process automatically generates the host-specific /etc files for you (i.e. including rules for persistent

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-09 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Isaac, On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 05:22:55PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: report every kind of device, since it listens to the kernel's driver core (i.e. libudev learns about network interfaces, buses, power

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-08 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 05:22:55PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: report every kind of device, since it listens to the kernel's driver core (i.e. libudev learns about network interfaces, buses, power supplies, etc.--stuff for which there are no device files Currently, it doesn't

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread shraptor shraptor
Scooby, John Carline, lepoitr, and others (who wish to remain anonymous) have been sending me logs filesystem listings from running vdev locally. I very much appreciate it--it helped me discover and fix bugs relating to persistent paths for disk devices, seeding /dev with initial device files,

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Tue 07 April 2015 14:04:36 Jude Nelson wrote: Over in systemd-land, I'm pretty sure the plan going forward is to replace netlink with kdbus to do the same task. me starts throwing up a little :-o But yes, sounds plausible /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Scooby, [Snip] However, this has proven to be a somewhat challenging problem, for a couple reasons. First, inotify(2) does not work on pseudo-filesystems like sysfs or devtmpfs, so we can't just watch /sys for changes, and we can't use devtmpfs for /dev. This means that systems using

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Isaac, [snip] libsysdev is meant to help clients pull information from sysfs. I don't think it is supposed to help clients run privileged ioctls (Isaac, please correct me if I'm wrong!). Not at present. It basically maps a device to a sysfs directory and possibly gets a *little*

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-02 Thread Linux O'Beardly
Given the fraction of replies you got so far devoted to the puppy (100%) and to the technical content (0%), I suspect this community's hearts are in the right place. -- hendrik ^ +1 Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:45 AM,

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-03-31 Thread Martijn Dekkers
How is the puppy?!? On 31 March 2015 at 06:20, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I don't have as much to report this week as I usually do, since I spent half my weekend dealing with a pet medical emergency (TL;DR: ibuprofen is toxic to puppies, and puppies can chew through

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-03-31 Thread Jude Nelson
Thankfully, the puppy should be fine :) She only ate a few capsules, and we caught her just after the fact, so we were able to get her proper treatment before the toxicity could set in. We get to take her home from the vet either tonight or tomorrow. -Jude On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:15 AM,

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-25 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 25/03/2015 18:04, Jude Nelson a écrit : 3) I don't think this is a great place for unsubstantiated attacks on Ulrich Drepper or on Ulrich Drepper's leadership of glibc. Ulrich Drepper's bad attitude is cited as one of the main reasons Debian switched from glibc to eglibc. Source:

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-25 Thread Jude Nelson
3) I don't think this is a great place for unsubstantiated attacks on Ulrich Drepper or on Ulrich Drepper's leadership of glibc. Ulrich Drepper's bad attitude is cited as one of the main reasons Debian switched from glibc to eglibc. Source: http://blog.aurel32.net/47. -Jude On Wed, Mar 25,

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-25 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- From: Joerg Reisenweber [mailto:reisenwe...@web.de] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:33 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone On Tue 24 March 2015 22:17:20 Steve Litt wrote: This systemd debacle increased

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-25 Thread T.J. Duchene
Are you for real? [T.J. ] Just to clear things up. If so: 1) Drepper maintained glibc, not gcc. These are two separate projects. True. I always treat GCC and glibc as somewhat synonymous since they go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other for all intents as

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-25 Thread T.J. Duchene
KatolaZ, [T.J. ] What I said was: It should be important to note that a segfault can be caused by any number of things, that can be unrelated to systemd itself. I do grant you that systemd has its share of undesirables, but it could be exposing a flaw in the lower libraries as well. A lot

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-25 Thread T.J. Duchene
Defaults are not necessarily caused by glibc itself Defaults = Segfaults. Don't you just hate autocorrect? T.J. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-25 Thread T.J. Duchene
If something goes wrong somewhere and X11 segfaults (which I think does not happen more than once in a few decades, at least with the stable version of Xorg), then we might complain and make a fuss, but in the end is not that big deal. Having systemd as PID 1 segfaulting is a completely

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-25 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 04:31:47PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: KatolaZ, [T.J. ] What I said was: It should be important to note that a segfault can be caused by any number of things, that can be unrelated to systemd itself. I do grant you that systemd has its share of undesirables, but

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Jaromil
moreover on libudev looking at Debian bug 735275 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735275 and the wide impact it has on upstream (nodejs, webkit, chrome etc. are affected by the bump to libudev.1) I'd rather keep libudev.0 around as a vdev patched version, would that be

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
HOORAY! KUDOS! can't wait giving it a try /j On Tue 24 March 2015 05:37:04 Jude Nelson wrote: Hey everyone, I'm pleased to announce that vdev can successfully boot to a console on the Devuan vagrant image! [...] -Jude signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 05:37:04AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: Hey everyone, I'm pleased to announce that vdev can successfully boot to a console on the Devuan vagrant image! It creates all requisite device files and loads all requisite kernel drivers, both for the pre-boot initramfs

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Joel Roth
Jude Nelson wrote: Hey everyone, I'm pleased to announce that vdev can successfully boot to a console on the Devuan vagrant image! It creates all requisite device files and loads all requisite kernel drivers, both for the pre-boot initramfs environment (so init can mount root) and in the

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Tue 24 March 2015 22:17:20 Steve Litt wrote: This systemd debacle increased by an order of magnitude the Linux users who understand the underpinnings of the system and are prepared to take control. Indeed. I never really bothered much, and happily lived along with (Open)Suse since... it

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 22:21:30 -0400 Clarke Sideroad clarke.sider...@gmail.com wrote: As history marks the rise and fall of systemd, contributions such as yours will make the the bigger picture of this time period net positive. Thank you, Clarke That's so true, Clarke! This systemd

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 05:37:04 -0400 Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm pleased to announce that vdev can successfully boot to a console on the Devuan vagrant image! It creates all requisite device files and loads all requisite kernel drivers, both for the pre-boot

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Clarke Sideroad
As history marks the rise and fall of systemd, contributions such as yours will make the the bigger picture of this time period net positive. Thank you, Clarke ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Jaromil, outstanding good news! congrats :^) if we manage to include vdev in Devuan for upcoming releases you may acquire rather wide testing grounds for your software. Thanks for the encouragement :) When it comes to packaging vdev, what I'll do is add an /etc/alternatives entry for the