Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-14 Thread P. T. Zoltowski
> But this is all very off the mark. You are describing liberalism > (libertas--freedom) here, an impoverished individualism that does not at all > capture the essence of democracy, which is, instead, the idea that people > (demos) retain their own power (kratia), and actively use it to make > dec

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-12 Thread Mark Purcell
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 09:43:56PM +0100, P. T. Zoltowski wrote: Here's a story . . . my local food co-op recently had a vote to boycott a product. There are @16,000 members. In the end the vote was 639 for the boycott and 338 against. I call it the tyranny of the majority of the minority. St

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-11 Thread Franco Lanza
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 06:57:57PM -0400, Christopher Barry wrote: > Is there a reason this git repo is not publicly viewable without a > login? The gitlab repositories are publicly viewable, it's just that the standard interface of gitlab isn't exactly friendly or immediate in that, and it's hard

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-11 Thread P. T. Zoltowski
> Here's a story . . . my local food co-op recently had a vote to boycott a > product. There are @16,000 members. In the end the vote was 639 for the > boycott and 338 against. I call it the tyranny of the majority of the > minority. Still leaves a bitter taste . . . > > The point being that un

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-11 Thread Christopher Barry
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 11:13:49 -0700 Go Linux wrote: >On Mon, 3/9/15, Christopher Barry >wrote: > > Subject: [Dng] greets > To: "fork-it" > Date: Monday, March 9, 2015, 12:36 PM > >> Hey all, > >> I just joined this list to see how it was going, an

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Peter Olson
> On March 10, 2015 at 7:09 PM Go Linux wrote: > > > On Tue, 3/10/15, hellekin wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Dng] greets > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015, 11:32 AM > > On 03/10/15 11:57, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > LOL > > &

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > until they've been a > member What constitutes Devuan membership? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Go Linux
On Tue, 3/10/15, hellekin wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] greets To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015, 11:32 AM On 03/10/15 11:57, Steve Litt wrote: > > LOL > *** Can you expand the acronym? I'm not sure I find anything funn

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Go Linux
On Tue, 3/10/15, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] greets To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015, 5:44 PM On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:04:26PM +0100, Peter Maloney wrote: >> especially hope it doesn't say anything like "anyone can join en masse >>

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:04:26PM +0100, Peter Maloney wrote: > especially hope it doesn't say anything like "anyone can join en masse > and override all the decisions completely overnight". In churches, especially those rules by the congregation, this is called steeplejacking. My church has

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:32:04 -0300 hellekin wrote: > On 03/10/15 11:57, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > LOL > > > *** Can you expand the acronym? I'm not sure I find anything funny > here. > > == > hk Laughing Out Loud... I find everything concerning Debian to be hillarious. Most of all their gov

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Peter Maloney
On 03/10/2015 05:32 PM, hellekin wrote: > On 03/10/15 11:57, Steve Litt wrote: >>> I agree with you that Devuan governance needs to differ from Debian's, >>> and that is must consider the general interest as well as respect the >>> particular. >> >> LOL >> > *** Can you expand the acronym? I'm not

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread hellekin
On 03/10/15 11:57, Steve Litt wrote: > > LOL > *** Can you expand the acronym? I'm not sure I find anything funny here. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 22:18:41 -0300 hellekin wrote: > On 03/09/15 19:26, Christopher Barry wrote: > > > > these democratic ideas. Unfortunately, just like in real government, > > special interests can stack the deck (e.g. dominate committees) and > > push things that are self serving and maybe no

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-09 Thread hellekin
On 03/09/15 19:26, Christopher Barry wrote: > > these democratic ideas. Unfortunately, just like in real government, > special interests can stack the deck (e.g. dominate committees) and > push things that are self serving and maybe not in the best interests > of the greater community. > *** Welco

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-09 Thread Christopher Barry
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 15:23:39 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: >On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:36:14 -0400 >Christopher Barry wrote: > >> First, does the manifesto and constitution come with? > >With what ? > >Your meaning is not immediately clear... > >Cheers, > >Ron. Ah, yes. That expression means d

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-09 Thread Ron
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:36:14 -0400 Christopher Barry wrote: > First, does the manifesto and constitution come with? With what ? Your meaning is not immediately clear... Cheers, Ron. -- The ability to speak several languages is an admirable asset, but to be able to hold your tongue

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 01:36:14PM -0400, Christopher Barry wrote: > Hey all, Hi Christopher, welcome on board. Maybe I am not the most adequate person to answer all your questions, but I will do my best. I am sure the ML will point out any inaccuracy. > > I just joined this list to see how it

[Dng] greets

2015-03-09 Thread Christopher Barry
Hey all, I just joined this list to see how it was going, and to figure out what this project is really all about. Is 'devuan' the final name, or simply a placeholder? First, does the manifesto and constitution come with? Second, how many original Debian devs / maintainers are on board? Finally