Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-28 Thread zap
On 10/28/2017 01:00 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > >> I still have a mixture of irritation and amazement, that systemd is >> considered libre software yet causes so many issues and >> security/stability flaws. amazing yet terrifying... > Nothing at all prevents libre

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-28 Thread zap
On 10/28/2017 03:28 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-10-27 21:34, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> Everyone: John Hughes has history here. See the following: >> >> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/d...@20151218.114434.e5e44af4.en.html >> >> >> And here's what I wrote after he posted his fiftieth

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-28 Thread golinux
On 2017-10-27 21:34, Steve Litt wrote: Everyone: John Hughes has history here. See the following: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/d...@20151218.114434.e5e44af4.en.html And here's what I wrote after he posted his fiftieth prop-systemd or ambi-systemd on DNG in a period of a couple days.

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-28 Thread John Hughes
On 28/10/17 01:39, zap wrote: On 10/27/2017 04:51 AM, John Hughes wrote: On 27/10/17 07:21, Steve Litt wrote: No Debian fan, Chris Lamb or otherwise, Debian fan? He's one of the people who build the distribution Devuan is  based on.  He's not a "fan". That is very impressive indeed. I

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-27 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > I still have a mixture of irritation and amazement, that systemd is > considered libre software yet causes so many issues and > security/stability flaws. amazing yet terrifying... Nothing at all prevents libre software from being absolutely wretched. The term

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-27 Thread zap
On 10/27/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:39:53 -0400 > zap wrote: > >> On 10/27/2017 04:51 AM, John Hughes wrote: >>> On 27/10/17 07:21, Steve Litt wrote: No Debian fan, Chris Lamb or otherwise, >>> Debian fan? He's one of the people who

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:39:53 -0400 zap wrote: > On 10/27/2017 04:51 AM, John Hughes wrote: > > On 27/10/17 07:21, Steve Litt wrote: > >> No Debian fan, Chris Lamb or otherwise, > > > > Debian fan? He's one of the people who build the distribution Devuan > > is  based on. 

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-27 Thread zap
On 10/27/2017 04:51 AM, John Hughes wrote: > On 27/10/17 07:21, Steve Litt wrote: >> No Debian fan, Chris Lamb or otherwise, > > Debian fan? He's one of the people who build the distribution Devuan > is  based on.  He's not a "fan". > That is very impressive indeed. I would have never guessed

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-27 Thread John Hughes
On 27/10/17 07:21, Steve Litt wrote: No Debian fan, Chris Lamb or otherwise, Debian fan? He's one of the people who build the distribution Devuan is  based on.  He's not a "fan". They're not stupid: They know how much they hurt Linux interchangeable parts with their rush to judgment on

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread zap
On 10/26/2017 05:38 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 04:18:12PM -0400, zap wrote: >> I only wish runit-init was still on the debian repo. or in the devuan >> repo at least... > It was kicked out from stretch because something bad happened to its > maintainer (he still hasn't

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread Chris Lamb
Hi Steve, > > I am the maintainer of Redis in Debian. All I have done is removed > > some ill-conceived hooks that were not used by anyone. I have not > > dropped sysvinit support and nor do I have any intention to do so. I > > only ask politely that you do stop to refering to my work as > >

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 04:18:12PM -0400, zap wrote: > I only wish runit-init was still on the debian repo. or in the devuan > repo at least... It was kicked out from stretch because something bad happened to its maintainer (he still hasn't recovered and then he'll probably have more important

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread zap
On 10/24/2017 10:50 AM, Chris Lamb wrote: > Hi -dng, > >> […] > I am the maintainer of Redis in Debian. All I have done is removed some > ill-conceived hooks that were not used by anyone. I have not dropped > sysvinit support and nor do I have any intention to do so. I only ask > politely that

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > But Chris, please understand, Debian *has* done plenty of sabotage and > vandalism in the past, especially but not exclusively with the ramming > of systemd down everyone's throat, with no committment to continue to > support alternative inits and

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:50:26 +0100 Chris Lamb wrote: > Hi -dng, > > > […] > > I am the maintainer of Redis in Debian. All I have done is removed > some ill-conceived hooks that were not used by anyone. I have not > dropped sysvinit support and nor do I have any intention to

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 05:18:30PM +0200, John Hughes wrote: [cut] > >This was not the case, hopefully. :) > ITYM "thankfully".  "Hopefully" would imply that you doubted Chris Lamb's > word. > I am not a native English speaker, and I often might misuse adverbs ;) Let's carry on. KatolaZ --

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread John Hughes
On 26/10/17 17:05, KatolaZ wrote: John, I was among those who tried to calm the storm down. As I noted.  It didn't seem to have much effect though. We should all try to be a bit more careful before coming to conclusions. I agree. Unfortunately, we have seen already silly things coming from

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 04:36:18PM +0200, John Hughes wrote: [cut] > > Frankly it seems that some people have been rather fast to assume bad faith > and very few people who commented either knew what they were talking about > or made the slightest effort to actually understand what Chris Lamb

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread John Hughes
On 26/10/17 16:06, KatolaZ wrote: please discard the angry comments. Evidently not everybody had a full understanding of what was going on, before posting them. We repeatedly said that there was no reason to freak out, and that the situation was under control. Thanks for confirming it yourself

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 03:50:26PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > Hi -dng, > > > […] > > I am the maintainer of Redis in Debian. All I have done is removed some > ill-conceived hooks that were not used by anyone. I have not dropped > sysvinit support and nor do I have any intention to do so. I only

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-26 Thread John Hughes
On 26/10/17 15:55, John Hughes wrote: They are around 89 lines long.  Hardly broken compared to most init scripts, check out /etc/init.d/sendmail -- a 1321 line monster in some versions. Duh, hardly "bloated" I meant to say. ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-26 Thread John Hughes
On 25/10/17 19:51, Steve Litt wrote: How bout this: Have a "runit-supervisor-only" pacakge that installs runit but doesn't make it PID1. Have sysvinit run runit, and have runit run redis, with all the correct config. The runit run script is probably 1/10 the size of its bloatacious and

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

2017-10-25 Thread Chris Lamb
Hi -dng, > […] I am the maintainer of Redis in Debian. All I have done is removed some ill-conceived hooks that were not used by anyone. I have not dropped sysvinit support and nor do I have any intention to do so. I only ask politely that you do stop to refering to my work as "vandalism".

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:44:51 -0500 Patrick Meade wrote: > However, if they are on Devuan, there is no systemd. And without > restoring the old functionality or providing new functionality, our > answer will be an empty one: "Debian upstream broke it. Sorry." And > our poor

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd [update]

2017-10-24 Thread Bardot Jérôme
This is what the debian maintainer wrote to me about redis. (i ask if i miss understood the patch loq ) > Maybe i miss understood the message ? You did. As the changelog entry mentions, it's only the Debian- specific (eg.) /etc/redis/redis-server.pre-up.d support that have been removed... and

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-24 Thread John Hughes
On 24/10/17 14:44, Patrick Meade wrote: Only the first option is acceptable to me, so what needs to be done is also clear to me. I'm hoping that the Debian maintainer will be willing to revert this change, as that would be the easiest way for everybody to win. If not, well... there is some

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-24 Thread Patrick Meade
On 10/23/2017 09:19 AM, John Hughes wrote: On 23/10/17 15:59, Patrick Meade wrote: As John Hughes said, this isn't quite as bad as we originally thought. We can still run redis-server with the Debian provided sysvinit script, and Debian isn't throwing away upstream files for no reason. Also

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-23 Thread John Hughes
On 23/10/17 15:59, Patrick Meade wrote: As John Hughes said, this isn't quite as bad as we originally thought. We can still run redis-server with the Debian provided sysvinit script, and Debian isn't throwing away upstream files for no reason. Also note that the upstream init script

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-23 Thread Patrick Meade
On 10/23/2017 04:10 AM, John Hughes wrote: On 21/10/17 01:53, Patrick Meade wrote: That text is not from the Debian changelog, but rather from debian/NEWS. Ah, didn't notice that.  Always trust the code before the doc. Still don't understand why it says "in favour of systemd's ... commands"

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-23 Thread John Hughes
On 21/10/17 01:53, Patrick Meade wrote: That text is not from the Debian changelog, but rather from debian/NEWS. Ah, didn't notice that.  Always trust the code before the doc. Still don't understand why it says "in favour of systemd's ... commands" when the patch does no such thing. The

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-23 Thread John Hughes
On 22/10/17 11:37, Jaromil wrote: Thanks everyone for adding details, On Fri, 20 Oct 2017, Patrick Meade wrote: https://github.com/lamby/pkg-redis/commit/6a9e4d0142b45195a0d55945bbc558df4c48707b#diff-9e388da7cd119765989cc22d2bc07e5c This diff clearly shows that redis-sentinel example scripts

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-22 Thread Jaromil
Thanks everyone for adding details, On Fri, 20 Oct 2017, Patrick Meade wrote: > https://github.com/lamby/pkg-redis/commit/6a9e4d0142b45195a0d55945bbc558df4c48707b#diff-9e388da7cd119765989cc22d2bc07e5c This diff clearly shows that redis-sentinel example scripts provided by upstream redis

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:46:28 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > > > > Steve Litt writes: > > > > Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up, and to me > > >

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread Patrick Meade
On 10/20/2017 10:22 AM, John Hughes wrote: On 20/10/17 16:37, Antony Stone wrote: However, Bardot Jérôme's original posting in this thread, quoting Chris Lamb Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:55:00 -0400 said: "This version drops the Debian-specific support for the

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread John Hughes
On 20/10/17 16:37, Antony Stone wrote: However, Bardot Jérôme's original posting in this thread, quoting Chris Lamb Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:55:00 -0400 said: "This version drops the Debian-specific support for the /etc/redis/redis-{server}.sentinel.{pre,post}-{up,down}.d

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread John Hughes
On 20/10/17 16:48, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-10-20 09:27, John Hughes wrote: My appologies for posting to a list from which I have been banned . . . If you were 'banned' you would would not have been able to post. I just checked and your account has no restrictions on it. Yup, I

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread golinux
On 2017-10-20 09:27, John Hughes wrote: My appologies for posting to a list from which I have been banned . . . If you were 'banned' you would would not have been able to post. I just checked and your account has no restrictions on it. Wouldn't it be more to the point to find out *if* you

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 20 October 2017 at 16:33:09, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 04:27:44PM +0200, John Hughes wrote: > > Jaromil wrote: > > > I would like to know here if anyone knows in detail the "reasons" > > > Debian is removing the support for sysvinit scripts in the redis > > >

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 04:27:44PM +0200, John Hughes wrote: > Jaromil wrote: > > I would like to know here if anyone knows in detail the "reasons" > > Debian is removing the support for sysvinit scripts in the redis > > package. > > Wouldn't it be more to the point to find out *if* Debian is

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Joel Roth
Jaromil wrote: > I would like to know here if anyone knows in detail the "reasons" > Debian is removing the support for sysvinit scripts in the redis > package. Is there a limitation of sorts, or a problem generated by > having the init scripts left in the package, or is it just vandalism? > is

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017, Steve Litt wrote: > When you contact them, you might want to also give them the runit run > script for redis from the Void distro: cheers Steve, I will pass it on. ah!! now you like redis do you??? :^ ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:22:33 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > > Steve Litt writes: > > > Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up, and to me it > > > looks like dbus on steroids. An in-memory data store accessible > > > by

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread golinux
On 2017-10-19 06:24, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:09:34 +0300, Aldemir wrote in message : > > No need to panic. The situation is under control. Noone will pull > sysv init support from redis. > > HND > > KatolaZ

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:09:34 +0300, Aldemir wrote in message : > > > > > > > > > > No need to panic. The situation is under control. Noone will pull > > sysv init support from redis. > > > > HND > > > > KatolaZ > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Alberto Zuin - Liste wrote: > Redis project started by an Italian guy which is also in the VUA > group. indeed. yet another VUA being outed :^) let's hope systemd-hooligans don't go and delete wikipedia pages about him and his work too now. antirez just replied me on the

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
jaro...@dyne.org writes: Same here, its a core part of many software projects, not only web based but also on embedded systems and micro-service related. Totally offtopic but some if you will be fascinated by the references to redis in this talk by John Regehr: https://youtu.be/Ux0YnVEaI6A

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up, and to me it looks > > like dbus on steroids. An in-memory data store accessible by lots of > > different applications. What could POSSIBLY go wrong? > > I've used in

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
> > > > > No need to panic. The situation is under control. Noone will pull sysv > init support from redis. > > HND > > KatolaZ > > That's the spirit! Many many thanks! -- aldemir ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 03:46:39PM +0200, Bardot Jérôme wrote: > redis (4:4.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium > >   This version drops the Debian-specific support for the >   /etc/redis/redis-{server}.sentinel.{pre,post}-{up,down}.d directories in >   favour of using systemd's ExecStartPre,

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-19 Thread tirveni yadav
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 03:46:39PM +0200, Bardot Jérôme wrote: >> redis (4:4.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium >> >> This version drops the Debian-specific support for the >>

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 03:46:39PM +0200, Bardot Jérôme wrote: > redis (4:4.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium > >   This version drops the Debian-specific support for the >   /etc/redis/redis-{server}.sentinel.{pre,post}-{up,down}.d directories in >   favour of using systemd's ExecStartPre,

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-18 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 18/10/17 09:46 AM, Bardot Jérôme wrote: redis (4:4.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium   This version drops the Debian-specific support for the   /etc/redis/redis-{server}.sentinel.{pre,post}-{up,down}.d directories in   favour of using systemd's ExecStartPre, ExecStartPost, ExecStopPre,  

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-18 Thread Alberto Zuin - Liste
Redis, for sure, is one of the most used in memory datastore, a good cache system like memcache but more flexible when you have to store real data and a standard SQL database is not fast enough: one common example of application, is to store the authentication tokens in a clustered web server

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-18 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up, and to me it looks > like dbus on steroids. An in-memory data store accessible by lots of > different applications. What could POSSIBLY go wrong? Extremely useful for large Web sites. _Not_ a

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-18 Thread dev
On 10/18/2017 10:04 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up, and to me it looks > like dbus on steroids. An in-memory data store accessible by lots of > different applications. What could POSSIBLY go wrong? > > SteveT The Nextcloud project[1] recommends

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:46:39 +0200 Bardot Jérôme wrote: > redis (4:4.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium > >   This version drops the Debian-specific support for the >   /etc/redis/redis-{server}.sentinel.{pre,post}-{up,down}.d > directories in favour of using systemd's