Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 10/11/2017 12:26 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 26.09.2017 09:43, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > >> They haven't put the users at #1 for a long time, why do you think >> that firefox is still very vulnerable to browser fingerprinting? that >> is by design. > > Yes, and its 

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): > Yeah just like I have said before this is the only logical reason as > to why browser fingerprinting is still so easy to perform even after > years of the vendors knowing about it. Like many questions of interest, that is actually complicated. Behind

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting dev (devua...@gmail.com): > So, this[1]? I've honestly never bothered to look until you > mentioned it. Primarily that, yes. Mozilla Corp. are highly dependent on contractual funding from all of those firms listed, but IIRC the biggest share is from Google, Inc. So, when I've given

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Le 28/09/2017 à 08:31, Didier Kryn a écrit : I've just compiled Palemoon following the instructions of Jaromil but with a slightly different configuration. I needed to install libgtk2.0-dev, libglib2.0-dev, autoconf2.13 and yasm. There must be some magic in version 2.13 of autoconf

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Le 28/09/2017 à 00:56, hal a écrit : All, Thanks for all the great input. Happy to report I've ditched Chrom* in favor of Palemoon. Noscript and UBlock Origin plugins install fine. Youtube and ALSA working well. Thanks for all the tips! ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

All, Thanks for all the great input. Happy to report I've ditched Chrom* in favor of Palemoon. Noscript and UBlock Origin plugins install fine. Youtube and ALSA working well. Thanks for all the tips! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): > Yeah I am very bothered at mozilla's, and a variety of other > organizations choices that don't respect the end users and > developers. > Doing something that alienates the majority of your users for > "progress" doesn't seem like a good idea, only a

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 09/19/2017 10:46 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 08:38:24AM -0500, dev wrote: Mozilla got a new bedmate named PulseAudio. Looks like another Smooth Move by Mozilla that will end up costing them market share. I don't like Chrome, but basically forced to choose between

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 170924-15:43-0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > > > > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > > > > > > On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > ... > > > If interested in this area of law, see: 'Trademark Law' on > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 12:48:05 +, Miroslav wrote in message <20170924124805.rsugrua5j4n7bgo7@gdOv>: > It's not about trust, but expert testimony or content advanced user > numbers (of which there are some in both Gentoo and Devuan/Debian) or > more, of which there is substantial amount for

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 09/24/2017 08:48 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 170924-08:36-0400, zap wrote: > ... > Zap, look at the work that I'd need to do if I went the Waterfox way: Hmm...  yes I really don't know. Not that it matters anyways, waterfox doesn't need to be added to the repo to be used in devuan. I have

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > > > > On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > ... > > If interested in this area of law, see: 'Trademark Law' on > > http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Licensing_and_Law/ > > > > (I was one of the

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

> Let me kindly tell you upfront, you're not more people, only a single > individual :-) ... I had already looked up Waterfox previously when you told > me > about it. > > But only if more people from Devuan or Debian created a traction would I be > more willing to give it a real try (would be

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 170923-14:28-0400, zap wrote: > > > ( > > And also, let's see if Enrico Weigelt's Librezilla takes off... Or, somebody > > proove that Waterfox is indeed safer and more honest than Palemoon... More > > people's testimonies on the latter would be needed, for me, to reconsider > > Waterfox. > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > >> Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. > >> I believe its on its binaries or executables? I think? > > I've just looked and found no

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > >> Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. >> I believe its on its binaries or executables? I think? > I've just looked and found no evidence of this. >

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. > I believe its on its binaries or executables? I think? I've just looked and found no evidence of this. -- Rick Moen "Due to circumstances beyond your control,

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

> ( > And also, let's see if Enrico Weigelt's Librezilla takes off... Or, somebody > proove that Waterfox is indeed safer and more honest than Palemoon... More > people's testimonies on the latter would be needed, for me, to reconsider > Waterfox. > ) Well, let's see where do I start,

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 170920-21:21+0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): ... > > > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions > > > Firefox has. +1 > > At _least_ try Chromium before

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Le 22/09/2017 à 00:16, Joel Roth a écrit : My point is that if there is no pulseaudio server, skypeforlinux sends sound to the ALSA device, so that one needs to install neither pulseaudio nor apulse to use skype on devuan jessie (at least for the version of skype I downloaded.) OK. Thanks,

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 21.09.2017 19:49, Joel Roth wrote: That's odd. I installed the skypeforlinux.deb file on deuvan jessie without the pulseaudio server. yes, it depends on pa library, but not the service - which is correct, as the server could be remote. --mtx ___

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Didier Kryn wrote: > I built Apulse on a Devuan-Jessie x86_64 without Pulseaudio. This was > for Skype to install without error. That's odd. I installed the skypeforlinux.deb file on deuvan jessie without the pulseaudio server. I do have some pulse audio libraries: libpulse-dev:amd64

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Le 21/09/2017 à 11:49, Didier Kryn a écrit : The preferred browser on the two machines is Palemoon, installed from some Suze repository. There is also Firefox installed and it works with Alsa only, since it is always launched from the standard .desktop launcher. Maybe I should check if the

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Le 20/09/2017 à 17:10, dev a écrit : On 09/20/2017 01:30 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Anyone have it working on Devuan and Firefox 55.0.3 64bit ? I built it on Devuan Jessie without any glitch and Skype seems happy with it. Oh! I did not see this earlier. how are you launching firefox?

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Am 2017-09-20 22:03, schrieb zap: Noscript is not on chromium or google chrome for an obvious reason. Noscript is the reason I will always use waterfox or a modified firefox over anything else. There is ScriptSafe for Chrome/Chromium which is basically the same as Noscript. Jochen

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:30:21PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:42:18 -0500, dev wrote in message > : > > > > > > > On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > > > > > > At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:42:18 -0500, dev wrote in message : > > > On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > > > At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser > > (Chrome). I don't know why so many Linux users think _only_ of

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting dev (devua...@gmail.com): > Because the last time I tried Chromium its functionality was about on > par with Konquerer's and I wrote it off. Perhaps it's matured nicely? Criteria and opinions differ, of course, but I'd say it's at least worth your time to recheck.

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser (Chrome). > I don't know why so many Linux users think _only_ of the proprietary > Google Chrome Web browser and not the open source Chromium browser of > which Google Chrome is an odd and

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > I would agree adblock is much more memory intensive and ethically unsound. ABP's 'Acceptable Ads' whitelisting is pretty questionable. OTOH, it's openly documented (e.g., https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads) and easy to revert. Just uncheck the 'Allow

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Most people seem to be using these two names interchangeably, even though, > as you rightfully point, they do differ. I did not go into a tangent of > correcting this as it was not relevant to bashing PulseAudio. 'Ah, the rare valid point', as Josh

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

> Huh? I think uBlock Origin is superior to Adblock in every aspect. > > Thanks, I would agree adblock is much more memory intensive and ethically unsound. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Adam Borowski - 20.09.17, 21:21: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): […] > But, chromium as in Debian/Devuan is not good either: > https://bugs.debian.org/792580 claims it phones home even in "incognito" > mode -- and not

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

> All web browsers suck, and take turns at being the champions of > suckatude. For the last three months, Chromium has sucked the least for > me. I felt guilty because it was a Google product, but Rick has a > point: ChromIUM is a free software product. > > If you use Google maps (I unfortunately

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > > > > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS. > > > > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions > > Firefox has. > > At _least_ try

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:47:05 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > > > > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS. > > > > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy > > extensions Firefox has. >

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS. > > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions > Firefox has. At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser (Chrome). I don't know why so

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 09:59:10AM -0500, dev wrote: > IIRC Jack, ALSA and Pulseaudio are three completely different software > stacks. Firefox, as compiled from mozilla, will only work with > Pulseaudio. Their official reasoning[1] was: > > "Make Pulse Audio a hard dependency on Linux so that

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 09/20/2017 04:47 AM, Rob van der Putten wrote: >> >> Anyone have it working on Devuan and Firefox 55.0.3 64bit ? > > How about FF and Jackd? > I don't use Jack myself, but a lot people do. IIRC Jack, ALSA and Pulseaudio are three completely different software stacks. Firefox, as compiled

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Hi there On 18/09/17 22:35, dev wrote: Anyone know if there is an Apulse package for Devuan? I thought I had it working a couple months back but now, on a different machine, I cannot find the Apulse package. I don't remember how I got it working. Checking google of course brings up the git

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:46:46 +0200, Adam wrote in message <20170919144646.5hsbzypbzpuu7...@angband.pl>: > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 08:38:24AM -0500, dev wrote: > > Mozilla got a new bedmate named PulseAudio. > > > > Looks like another Smooth Move by Mozilla that will end up costing > > them

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 19.09.2017 16:46, Adam Borowski wrote: Too bad, Firefox is the only somewhat usable browser. With enough extensions (hello 57...) it's possible to beat some basic security into it, while Chromium has built-in spyware even in that "incognito mode" snake oil that can't be disabled by

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 08:38:24AM -0500, dev wrote: > Mozilla got a new bedmate named PulseAudio. > > Looks like another Smooth Move by Mozilla that will end up costing them > market share. I don't like Chrome, but basically forced to choose between > Pottering or Google at this point :/ You

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 09/18/2017 03:54 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > Does FF 55 not support ALSA OOTB? AFAIK, Mozilla got a new bedmate named PulseAudio. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/firefox-52-no-sound-pulseaudio-alsa-linux Apulse used to work but now Firefox has some weird sandbox thing causing permissions

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Hi, On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 03:35:12PM -0500, dev wrote: > Anyone know if there is an Apulse package for Devuan? I thought I had it > working a couple months back but now, on a different machine, I > cannot find the Apulse package. I don't remember how I got it working. > > Checking google of