Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-29 Thread Joril via Dng
On 29/11/19 12:29, Denis Roio wrote: Sadly it's not just init scripts: for example how would a case like http://bugs.devuan.org/db/27/276.html be handled? I guess by hand. Do you mean the user's hand, or the distro maintainer's? :D do you know about other show-stoppers for the systemd

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-29 Thread Denis Roio
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Joril via Dng wrote: > On 26/11/19 22:13, viverna wrote: > > > > I wrote this summer in this list about a possibility of inject init > > > > run scripts (for example runit) in all Devuan packages automatically. > > > > > > This is a great idea. I've been in favor of

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-27 Thread viverna
il devuanizzato Joril via Dng il 27-11-19 09:01:37 ha scritto: On 26/11/19 22:13, viverna wrote: I wrote this summer in this list about a possibility of inject init run scripts (for example runit) in all Devuan packages automatically. This is a great idea. I've been in favor of something

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-27 Thread Joril via Dng
On 26/11/19 22:13, viverna wrote: I wrote this summer in this list about a possibility of inject init run scripts (for example runit) in all Devuan packages automatically. This is a great idea. I've been in favor of something similar since 2015. It frees "upstreams" from the responsibility of

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-26 Thread viverna
il devuanizzato Steve Litt il 25-11-19 02:48:08 ha scritto: I wrote this summer in this list about a possibility of inject init run scripts (for example runit) in all Devuan packages automatically. This is a great idea. I've been in favor of something similar since 2015. It frees "upstreams"

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Rick, On 26/11/19 3:22 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > and just let the two or three users of that mode curse me > as long as they feel is therapeutic. Love it! Great way to deal with it. On 26/11/19 8:33 pm, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:22:04 -0800, Rick wrote in message <20191126042203.gf6...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > I know digest mode is handy, but please be careful in your handling > > thereof. I have no idea who dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org is, but *I* >

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-25 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I know digest mode is handy, but please be careful in your handling > thereof. I have no idea who dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org is, but *I* > wrote the preceding, and my email is sl...@troubleshooters.com. Also, > please take the extra second to

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-25 Thread Noel Torres
On Monday, 25 de November de 2019 01:23:58 Steve Litt escribió: > On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100 > > Denis Roio wrote: > > At last, please, do not consider Devuan as an alternative solution > > which will survive any outcome of this vote. > > > > Because I'm sure Devuan will not survive

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:34:19 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2019-11-24 19:23, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100 > > Denis Roio wrote: > > > >> At last, please, do not consider Devuan as an alternative solution > >> which will survive any outcome of this vote. > >>

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 18:31:25 +0100 viverna wrote: > No, we will not allow it! > I propose this: a script called INJ - Init Freedom inJector > > I wrote this summer in this list about a possibility of inject init > run scripts (for example runit) in all Devuan packages automatically. This is

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-24 Thread golinux
On 2019-11-24 19:23, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100 Denis Roio wrote: At last, please, do not consider Devuan as an alternative solution which will survive any outcome of this vote. Because I'm sure Devuan will not survive without Debian's help. Some time in 2015, I

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100 Denis Roio wrote: > At last, please, do not consider Devuan as an alternative solution > which will survive any outcome of this vote. > > Because I'm sure Devuan will not survive without Debian's help. Some time in 2015, I remember hearing the VUAs saying

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-24 Thread golinux
On 2019-11-24 06:16, Denis Roio wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: I have tried ASCII 2.0 -- but it looks like there is a new 2.1 version just about to be announced? yes, there is a 2.1 ready and most of it is thanks to the passionate work of volunteers, among the

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-24 Thread Denis Roio
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > I have tried ASCII 2.0 -- but it looks like there is a new 2.1 > version just about to be announced? yes, there is a 2.1 ready and most of it is thanks to the passionate work of volunteers, among the few fsmithred, rrq, golinux, centuriondan

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 24/11/19 1:21 am, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..apologies, I just hit the Reply-button and saw you on the > Cc:-line, and was led to believe that was your intention. > Responding to this message, I found I had to hit the > ReplyAll-button to get

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:48:52 +1100, Andrew wrote in message <5cc11ae1-94d0-5327-81b7-6a6f98840...@affinityvision.com.au>: > Hi, > > On 23/11/19 4:38 am, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 03:17:58 +1100, Andrew wrote in message > > : > > > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >>

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 23/11/19 4:38 am, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 03:17:58 +1100, Andrew wrote in message > : > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> Jo. >> >> On 23/11/19 12:26 am, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: >>> In the worst case we would not be able to rely on MX

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 03:17:58 +1100, Andrew wrote in message : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Jo. > > On 23/11/19 12:26 am, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: > > In the worst case we would not be able to rely on MX Linux? > > I think not. > > MX is not exactly against

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Bernard Rosset via Dng
Is there any way to give our support to this proposal? Only Debian-accepted developers (cf. https://www.debian.org/devel/join/), subsequently called "Debian Developer", or "DD", have a right to vote (cf. https://www.debian.org/vote/howto_follow). I would also be eager to help Debian (&

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread viverna
il devuanizzato Denis Roio il 22-11-19 10:55:46 ha scritto: Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian. If Debian drops the support for any other init system but systemd, I believe we won't be able to keep up with the legwork needed to support all other init systems. I say this because we

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jo. On 23/11/19 12:26 am, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: > In the worst case we would not be able to rely on MX Linux? I think not. MX is not exactly against systemd, they use it still, but not as the init system. And MX is reliant upon Debian

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100, Denis wrote in message <20191122095546.fro7htitriq47xsx@reflex>: > Now please let this success be an account of how important is Init > Freedom for the large amount of Debian users out there. > > Today I write you because there is a reason to be worried that

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:29:36 +0100, Irrwahn wrote in message <00acc993-3243-4ccc-aa86-0f5f93aaf...@freenet.de>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote on 22.11.19 13:36: > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100, Denis wrote in message > > <20191122095546.fro7htitriq47xsx@reflex>: > [...] > >> And today once

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread John Crisp via Dng
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:36:48 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100, Denis wrote in message > <20191122095546.fro7htitriq47xsx@reflex>: > > > > > And today once again I support the vote proposition nr.4 by Ian > > Jackson > > ..a direct link to Ian's vote

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Irrwahn
Arnt Karlsen wrote on 22.11.19 13:36: > On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100, Denis wrote in message > <20191122095546.fro7htitriq47xsx@reflex>: [...] >> And today once again I support the vote proposition nr.4 by Ian >> Jackson > > ..a direct link to Ian's vote proposition nr.4 and a direct link

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
In the worst case we would not be able to rely on MX Linux? Best Regards -- Ismael - Original Message - From: "Denis Roio" To: "DNG" Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 4:55 AM Subject: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
Is there any way to give our support to this proposal? Best Regards -- Ismael - Original Message - From: "Arnt Karlsen" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100, D

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100, Denis wrote in message <20191122095546.fro7htitriq47xsx@reflex>: > dear readers, > > I write this email to comment on the current Init System GR vote in > Debian, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2019/11/ > > I'll be brief and express my personal