Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-07 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Rainer Weikusat via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > But this is not the case. There's nothing which stops users from running > their own, fully capable resolver locally[*] (or somewhere on a local > network) and thus, not make a comprehensive browsing history available > to any third party.

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-06 Thread Rainer Weikusat via Dng
Steve Litt writes: > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > >> Just great! So how can we keep off this cloudflare thing? >> >> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ > > "Another relevant question is whether further centralisation [SIC] of > the

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-06 Thread tekHedd
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > Which leads to an even deeper question: As we tend to move into the > direction we look (think of learning a header or somersault or perhaps > also of getting through a dangerous situation when driving a vehicle) - > what does this mean

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 09:10:00 -0500 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 03, 2020, tekHedd wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > [...] > > > > You say "Orwellian thinking" like it's a bad thing. :) > > I ... think ... you're joking? You're joking, right? I think this is

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 03:01:55PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 18:43:01 -0500 > Clarke Sideroad via Dng wrote: > > > On 2020-03-03 5:45 p.m., spiralofhope wrote: > > > This helps me remember: > > > E for English "grEy" > > > A for American "grAy" > > > > > I attempt to be

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-05 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 03, 2020, tekHedd wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Mar 02, 2020, spiralofhope wrote: > > That is certainly some Orwellian thinking right there. > > You say "Orwellian thinking" like it's a bad thing. :) I ... think ... you're joking? You're joking,

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-04 Thread terryc
On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 21:31:49 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Are you sure that femails would not use slightly more elaborate color > names? Maybe it's just a misunderstanding and "grey" is used for the > more redish tones an "gray" for a more greeish tones? All > indistinguishable for mail

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-04 Thread tekHedd
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 02, 2020, spiralofhope wrote: > That is certainly some Orwellian thinking right there. You say "Orwellian thinking" like it's a bad thing. :) DD ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-04 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 4 Mar 15:01:55 -0500 Steve Litt scripsit: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 18:43:01 -0500 > Clarke Sideroad via Dng wrote: > > > On 2020-03-03 5:45 p.m., spiralofhope wrote: > > > This helps me remember: > > > E for English "grEy" > > > A for American "grAy" > > > > > I attempt

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 18:43:01 -0500 Clarke Sideroad via Dng wrote: > On 2020-03-03 5:45 p.m., spiralofhope wrote: > > This helps me remember: > > E for English "grEy" > > A for American "grAy" > > > I attempt to be trilingual in "English". > Thanks, that memory tool is great. > In Canada we

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-03 Thread Clarke Sideroad via Dng
On 2020-03-03 5:45 p.m., spiralofhope wrote: This helps me remember: E for English "grEy" A for American "grAy" I attempt to be trilingual in "English". Thanks, that memory tool is great. In Canada we say GrEh, but we spell it the English way. (-; Clarke

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-03 Thread spiralofhope
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 11:49:57 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > > 'grey' rather than 'grey': because it's much greyer that way. > 'gray' > > See, even when I set out to adopt quaint USAnaian spelling, I > sometimes can't quite manage it. This helps me remember: E for English "grEy" A

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-03 Thread Rick Moen
Er, stepping on my own line: > Some years back, I had some good-natured jousting in e-mail with noted > Usenet figure Gharlane of Eddore[1], who had chided me on > rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 about my use of Commonwealth spelling -- but > certainly didn't allege that it was mistaken. I amused him

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-03 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > "Another relevant question is whether further centralisation [SIC] of > the internet is, inherently, a bad thing." Unaware of the Queen's English, my good lad? Some years back, I had some good-natured jousting in e-mail with noted Usenet figure

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-03 Thread golinux
On 2020-03-03 12:56, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:08:28 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: Just great! So how can we keep off this cloudflare thing? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ "Another relevant question is whether

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:08:28 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Just great! So how can we keep off this cloudflare thing? > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ "Another relevant question is whether further centralisation [SIC] of the

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-03 Thread Dimitris via Dng
On 3/2/20 1:08 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > So how can we keep off this cloudflare thing? there are also other non-corp DoH/DoT providers, so default cloudflare setting in ff can be changed.. (eg. https://libredns.gr/). generally, i don't find DoH a problem, i think it's a good measure for

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-02 Thread John Crisp via Dng
On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:08:28 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Just great! So how can we keep off this cloudflare thing? > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ > > Rick Moen? Anyone? > > I am quite happy running unbound locally thanks

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-02 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 02, 2020, spiralofhope wrote: > On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:08:28 -0600 > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ > > } Another relevant question is whether further centralisation of the > } internet is,

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-02 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:08:28 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ } Another relevant question is whether further centralisation of the } internet is, inherently, a bad thing. ® Whoa boy.

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting goli...@devuan.org (goli...@devuan.org): > Just great! So how can we keep off this cloudflare thing? > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ > > Rick Moen? Anyone? It's been obviously coming (for newer Firefox versions) for

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-01 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 05:08:28PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Just great! So how can we keep off this cloudflare thing? > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ There was a thread on (IIRC) debian-devel about this a while ago, with