Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-08-01 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi, Hendrik Boom writes: > On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:02:59PM +1000, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: >> >> >> > On 30 Jul 2021, at 05:15, Steve Litt wrote: >> > >> > Riccardo Mottola said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:07:11 +0200 >> > >> >> Sometimes you can find another card, but that is not always

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-08-01 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi, terryc writes: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:07:43 +0900 > Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > >> Hi g4sra, >> >> g4sra via Dng writes: >> >> > <--snip--> >> > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert >> > additional installation media such as a USB stick. There are just >> >

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-31 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 31 Jul 2021, at 04:09, Steve Litt wrote: > > wirelessd...@gmail.com said on Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:02:59 +1000 > >>> On 30 Jul 2021, at 05:15, Steve Litt >>> wrote: >>> >>> Riccardo Mottola said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:07:11 +0200 >>> Sometimes you can find another card, but that

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-30 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:31:17 +0200 tito via Dng wrote: > ... If I understood it correctly the > problem is about adding the drivers and firmware blobs which are in > the non-free repos to the isos and install images ... Let me repeat it once: the installer isos do contain all packages named

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-30 Thread Mike Schmitz via Dng
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 11:22:56PM +1000, terryc wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:07:43 +0900 > Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > > > Hi g4sra, > > > > g4sra via Dng writes: > > > > > <--snip--> > > > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert > > > additional installation

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 08:02:59PM +1000, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > > On 30 Jul 2021, at 05:15, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Riccardo Mottola said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:07:11 +0200 > > > >> Sometimes you can find another card, but that is not always possible. > >> Rarely you can

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-30 Thread terryc
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:07:43 +0900 Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > Hi g4sra, > > g4sra via Dng writes: > > > <--snip--> > > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert > > additional installation media such as a USB stick. There are just > > too many Gigabytes of Drivers

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-30 Thread tito via Dng
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:05:18 +0900 Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi Tito, list, > > tito via Dng writes: > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:16:31 + > > g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > > [...snip...] > >> > >> > What am I missing? > >> > >> All the 'other' Drivers that people are complaining are NOT in

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-30 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi g4sra, g4sra via Dng writes: > <--snip--> > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert additional > installation media such as a USB stick. > There are just too many Gigabytes of Drivers required to satisfy every corner > case, put the drivers your quirky hardware requires

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-30 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi Tito, list, tito via Dng writes: > On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:16:31 + > g4sra via Dng wrote: > > [...snip...] >> >> > What am I missing? >> >> All the 'other' Drivers that people are complaining are NOT in the >> netinstall ISO's. >> I don't understand the point you are making in adding up

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-30 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 30 Jul 2021, at 05:15, Steve Litt wrote: > > Riccardo Mottola said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:07:11 +0200 > >> Sometimes you can find another card, but that is not always possible. >> Rarely you can know exactly what is inside a Laptop on beforehand. > > Riccardo, > > You just reminded

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-29 Thread tito via Dng
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:16:31 + g4sra via Dng wrote: > <--snip->> > > > > > > There are just too many Gigabytes of Drivers required to satisfy > > > > > every corner case, > > > > > You would need to put Drivers and Firmware for every network device > > > > > in existence on the

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-29 Thread Steve Litt
Riccardo Mottola via Dng said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:17:28 +0200 >Also, most essentially, it is a matter of network driver, the rest can >stay on the non-free repository. You need the video drivers too. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-29 Thread Steve Litt
Riccardo Mottola said on Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:07:11 +0200 >Sometimes you can find another card, but that is not always possible. >Rarely you can know exactly what is inside a Laptop on beforehand. Riccardo, You just reminded me that I always recommend having a known good, doesn't-need-drivers

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-29 Thread g4sra via Dng
<--snip->> > > > > There are just too many Gigabytes of Drivers required to satisfy every > > > > corner case, > > > > You would need to put Drivers and Firmware for every network device in > > > > existence on the installation media. > > Hi, > > let's add this up for example for amd64 >

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-29 Thread Riccardo Mottola via Dng
Hi, g4sra via Dng wrote: > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert additional > installation media such as a USB stick. > There are just too many Gigabytes of Drivers required to satisfy every corner > case, put the drivers your quirky hardware requires on a USB stick and

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-29 Thread tito via Dng
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 12:43:00 + g4sra via Dng wrote: > On Thursday, July 29th, 2021 at 6:58 AM, tito via Dng > wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:26:07 + > > g4sra via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > <--snip--> > > > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-29 Thread Riccardo Mottola via Dng
Hi, Steve Litt wrote: > I hate the preceding hassle. Every Linux distro's install media should > have all drivers available during installation. After installation, if > the user wishes to remove all non-free from his computer, he can do so. > Or, the installation process can come with an

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-29 Thread g4sra via Dng
On Thursday, July 29th, 2021 at 6:58 AM, tito via Dng wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:26:07 + > g4sra via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > <--snip--> > > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert additional > > installation media such as a USB stick. > > Hi > > The

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-28 Thread tito via Dng
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:26:07 + g4sra via Dng wrote: > <--snip--> > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert additional > installation media such as a USB stick. Hi The user most of the time doesn't even know which driver or firmware blob he needs so this is not a

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-28 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 17:29:55 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Riccardo Mottola via Dng said on Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:06:15 +0200 > >Hi all, > > > >I "converted" a laptop from Windows 7 to Devuan and as a test, I > >installed chimaera. The intel display should have no issues. > >Install wasn't too easy

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-28 Thread g4sra via Dng
<--snip--> This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert additional installation media such as a USB stick. There are just too many Gigabytes of Drivers required to satisfy every corner case, put the drivers your quirky hardware requires on a USB stick and use it when prompted! I

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-28 Thread Steve Litt
Antony Stone said on Wed, 28 Jul 2021 23:42:52 +0200 >On Wednesday 28 July 2021 at 23:29:55, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Every Linux distro's install media should have all drivers available >> during installation. After installation, if the user wishes to >> remove all non-free from his computer, he

Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad

2021-07-28 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 28 July 2021 at 23:29:55, Steve Litt wrote: > Every Linux distro's install media should have all drivers available during > installation. After installation, if the user wishes to remove all non-free > from his computer, he can do so. > Or, the installation process can come with an