Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Am Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2017 schrieb goli...@dyne.org:
> That won't be possible for jessie at this late date.  Theming takes a 
> LOT of time and is painstaking work.  I'm not a fan of TDE - too clunky 
> and cluttered for my taste but it will be under consideration for ascii 
> along with other DE/WM if Xfce is no longer workable.  However, it is 
> possible that other desktops will suffer the same issues with the 
> installer. But thanks to fsmithred, we have a reliable and easy to 
> install desktop option until this can be sorted.
> 
> golinux

I do not know yout work for XFCE (as I prefer FVWM), but I could do the theming 
for TDE. If you like yust send me the  intended artwork.

Nik


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Re: [DNG] Licenses: was Browsers

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 06:36:35PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 18:09:15 -0500
> Hendrik Boom  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 09:45:26PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:31:08 -0500, Steve wrote in message 
> > > <20170225203108.2838a...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> > >   
> > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:34:50 -0500
> > > > Hendrik Boom  wrote:
> > > >   
> > > > > And speaking of bookmarks, each browser seems to jealously hang
> > > > > on to its bookmarks, unless perhaps another browser manages to
> > > > > sneak in like a thief and import them.  Is this the way
> > > > > browsers cement their grip on users?  Isn't there any way of
> > > > > setting up bookmarks so that multiple browsers and other tools
> > > > > can use them?  
> > > > 
> > > > Yes.
> > > > 
> > > > Using a very simple tab-indented outline that I maintain with
> > > > VimOutliner adorned Vim, plus a conversion app, I have hundreds of
> > > > bookmarks, organized just the way I want them. If I want to
> > > > change the organization, I do some cutting and pasting on my
> > > > outline and recompile. Every browser I use has a link called
> > > > "littlinks", and clicking it brings up my link hierarchy. In the
> > > > past I've even tweaked my desktop's Apache so any computer within
> > > > the house could pull up my links page at
> > > > http://192.168.100.2/littlinks. On any browser, including elinks.
> > > > 
> > > > I did this for the exact reason you state: To keep my bookmarks
> > > > from being held hostage by particular software.
> > > > 
> > > > If a lot of you want this, I'll slap a free software license on
> > > > it and release it.  
> > > 
> > > ..make it GPLv2, v3 is too kind on violators. ;o)  
> > 
> > How is v3 kinder on violators?  As far as I know, it has a lot of 
> > restrictions to forbid various kinds of abuse.
> > 
> > And to reach maximum availability for various forms of reuse, please 
> > if you want to use GPL2 or 3, use GPL2+.
> > 
> > I'd be happy with a freeer license, too.  There. a word with three 
> > consecutive e's!
> 
> I use copyleft licenses when:
> 
> 1) The work is a substantial coding effort
> 
> And,
> 
> 2) I see very little reason for someone to use parts of my code in
>proprietary programs.
> 
> In theory I'd use lgpl in cases of #2, but lgpl, if I remember
> correctly, forces the person incorporating the code into either
> revealing his source code or submitting very reverse-engineerable
> object code (I don't remember which).

The incorporator can do either of these things.  He can also 
distribute obfuscated object code.  The only thing he has to permit is 
linking with the independently written lgpl library.

> 
> For little projects I just use the Expat license, which practically the
> same as one of the BSD licenses and one of the MIT licenses, except
> there's only one Expat license so there's no ambiguity.
> 
> For copyleft stuff I usually use GPLv2 because I understand it, but for
> my recent UMENU2 I used GPLv3 because it addresses software patents.

and no one can distribute a program that contains both of these.  

The problem here is that GPL2 and GPL3 are not compatible licences.
So there's a great divide between code that can be included in a 
project licenced under GPL2 and code that can be incorporated in a  
GPL3 project.  Saying GLP2+ obviates some of this problem.

Of course, an MIT licence is compatible with all the GPL licences.

-- hendrik

> I
> *NEVER* include the words "or later", because I have no idea what kind
> of animals might take over the FSF in later times.

But peoplee will still be able to use your code under GLP2 no matter 
wht the FSF specifies later.

> 
> I never use licenses with mentions of indemnification. I'm not an
> insurace company.
> 
> 
>  SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt 
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Re: [DNG] Licenses: was Browsers

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):

> I use copyleft licenses when:
> 
> 1) The work is a substantial coding effort
> 
> And,
> 
> 2) I see very little reason for someone to use parts of my code in
>proprietary programs.

You know, I do the same thing.  

> In theory I'd use lgpl in cases of #2, but lgpl, if I remember
> correctly, forces the person incorporating the code into either
> revealing his source code or submitting very reverse-engineerable
> object code (I don't remember which).

No, this entire 'forcing to reveal' thing is a blatant crock, just like
the 'forcing to open-source' allegation frequently leveled against GPLv2
over the years.  There is no legal mechanism available to copyright
holders to compel revelation of source code by creator of a derivative
work, just as there is no legal mechanism to compel open-sourcing of
derivatives.  Neither of those is available in civil tort litigation as
a remedy for (proven-in-court) copyright violation.  The courts offer
these remedies:

1.  Injunction against further violation (an equity remedy)
2.  Monetary damages (a remedy 'at law', i.e., one of recompense).

With any copyright licensing, proprietary or open source, the courts 
apply the same standard of review and offer the same remedy if the
defendent is found to have violated copyright:  Was defendent's actions
a violation of the copyright owner's reserved rights (or in the
alternative did defendent have lawful access to those rights under
licence)?  Did defendent's actions touch plaintiff's rights, e.g., by
creating/distributing a derivative work as that term is defined in
copyright law?  Did plaintiff have standing to bring suit?  If rights
were at stake and infringed, which remedies are merited and how much
money?

Nowhere in that process is 'force the other guy to reveal source code'
or 'force the other guy to open-source a derivative work'.  Because
those simply _aren't_ part of the copyright legal process.

No, I'm not a lawyer, and even if I were would not be _your_ lawyer
unless certified to the bar in your jurisdiction and working for you.
But I am the former licensing guy at VA Linux Systems, Inc. and one of
the regulars on the OSI license-discuss and license-review mailing lists
for some decades, now.


> For little projects I just use the Expat license, which practically the
> same as one of the BSD licenses and one of the MIT licenses, except
> there's only one Expat license so there's no ambiguity.

You could avoid your hapless self-trapping into obscurity by specifying
'MIT License as published at https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT' --
and you could _also_ explicitly waive the hidden obligation you're
accidentally imposing on third parties to add in the 'Expat License'
text you omit from your works.  I've told you this before.

Show of hands:  Is there anyone here except me or Steve who has ever
heard the phrase 'Expat License' uttered by anyone but Steve Litt?
(Anyone, anyone?  Bueller?)  Steve, there's your main problem.  You
bought a line from FSF perspective-challenged dumbasses that the
expression 'MIT License' is 'too ambiguous' and that therefore licensors
should use a term nobody knows, instead.

Don't you know better than to take FSF advice without due wariness for
dumbassery?


> For copyleft stuff I usually use GPLv2 because I understand it, but for
> my recent UMENU2 I used GPLv3 because it addresses software patents. I
> *NEVER* include the words "or later", because I have no idea what kind
> of animals might take over the FSF in later times.

Yes, you do.

FSF is legally constrained _very_ tightly by tax and corporate law to
follow its declared charitable purpose.  It literally has no legal power
to be anything but a free-software outfit.

Morever, ignoring that, if Cthulhu arises from R'lyeh, moves to
Cambridge, takes over FSF, and somehow defeats the entire body of
corporate regulatory law to make FSF a House of the Old Gods devoted to
proprietary software or whatever, what do you imagine GPL v. 3.1 
could declare that prevents utterly obvious workarounds?  Consider
cases:

1.  Evil Future FSF makes GPLv3.1 specify tightly proprietary terms.
Remedy for copyright owners of GPLv2+ codebases:  Ignore 
this option.

2.  Evil Future FSF makes GPLv3.1 specify permissive terms.  Remedy for
copyright owners of GPLv2+ codebases:  Accept that a one-time
permissive fork can now occur, change the main branch's code
to GPLv2, and soldier on.  But an option for a permissive fork
isn't actual horrible, I'd say.

3.  Evil Future FSF makes GPLv3.1 require a giveaway of licensor's patent,
trademark, or other rights.  Remedy for copyright owners of 
GPLv2+ codebases:  Same as case 1.

Basically, hypothetical Evil Future FSF has no power to actually
hurt you.  If you can think of a way, I'm (as my barber says) all ears.

> I never use licenses with mentions of indemnification. 

Um, have you considered that the phrase 'In no event 

[DNG] Licenses: was Browsers

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 18:09:15 -0500
Hendrik Boom  wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 09:45:26PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:31:08 -0500, Steve wrote in message 
> > <20170225203108.2838a...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> >   
> > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:34:50 -0500
> > > Hendrik Boom  wrote:
> > >   
> > > > And speaking of bookmarks, each browser seems to jealously hang
> > > > on to its bookmarks, unless perhaps another browser manages to
> > > > sneak in like a thief and import them.  Is this the way
> > > > browsers cement their grip on users?  Isn't there any way of
> > > > setting up bookmarks so that multiple browsers and other tools
> > > > can use them?  
> > > 
> > > Yes.
> > > 
> > > Using a very simple tab-indented outline that I maintain with
> > > VimOutliner adorned Vim, plus a conversion app, I have hundreds of
> > > bookmarks, organized just the way I want them. If I want to
> > > change the organization, I do some cutting and pasting on my
> > > outline and recompile. Every browser I use has a link called
> > > "littlinks", and clicking it brings up my link hierarchy. In the
> > > past I've even tweaked my desktop's Apache so any computer within
> > > the house could pull up my links page at
> > > http://192.168.100.2/littlinks. On any browser, including elinks.
> > > 
> > > I did this for the exact reason you state: To keep my bookmarks
> > > from being held hostage by particular software.
> > > 
> > > If a lot of you want this, I'll slap a free software license on
> > > it and release it.  
> > 
> > ..make it GPLv2, v3 is too kind on violators. ;o)  
> 
> How is v3 kinder on violators?  As far as I know, it has a lot of 
> restrictions to forbid various kinds of abuse.
> 
> And to reach maximum availability for various forms of reuse, please 
> if you want to use GPL2 or 3, use GPL2+.
> 
> I'd be happy with a freeer license, too.  There. a word with three 
> consecutive e's!

I use copyleft licenses when:

1) The work is a substantial coding effort

And,

2) I see very little reason for someone to use parts of my code in
   proprietary programs.

In theory I'd use lgpl in cases of #2, but lgpl, if I remember
correctly, forces the person incorporating the code into either
revealing his source code or submitting very reverse-engineerable
object code (I don't remember which).

For little projects I just use the Expat license, which practically the
same as one of the BSD licenses and one of the MIT licenses, except
there's only one Expat license so there's no ambiguity.

For copyleft stuff I usually use GPLv2 because I understand it, but for
my recent UMENU2 I used GPLv3 because it addresses software patents. I
*NEVER* include the words "or later", because I have no idea what kind
of animals might take over the FSF in later times.

I never use licenses with mentions of indemnification. I'm not an
insurace company.


 SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Browsers

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 19:39:56 +
KatolaZ  wrote:


> If you don't mind minimal stuff (i.e., a browser that just browse the
> WWW and downloads files on request), then surf+tabbed is a very good
> and stable solution. Here are the links:
> 
>   http://surf.suckless.org/
>   http://tools.suckless.org/tabbed/
> 
> The setup is extremely simple. You just "apt-get install tabbed surf"
> and bind your preferred keystroke or menu entry to:
> 
> "tabbed surf -g -e"

Danger Will Robinson:

The preceding fails on Void Linux setups. It dies with the dreaded
"webkit based browser suddenly aborts" symptom.

What I've found is that if you want to do this in stable manner (at
least on Void), you need the following command, EXACTLY:

tabbed surf -peg

The "p" arg tells it not to use plugins, which is what is needed to fix
the sudden abort. Too bad Midori and the rest don't have the same arg.
the "e" supposedly tells it to re-parent, but supposedly requires an
argument for the parent. . The "g" prevents geolocation: The
command runs fine without it, if you're willing to give away your
position.

The order of the three letters in the *single argument* appear to be
very important. My experience was that unless the first letter is "p",
you get some variation of the "webkit suddenly vanishes" problem. The
"e" is necessary when running surf from tabbed, but fails if you run
tab alone. As mentioned previously, "g" is optional as far as the
browser running without crashing is concerned.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Browsers

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 09:45:26PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:31:08 -0500, Steve wrote in message 
> <20170225203108.2838a...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> 
> > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:34:50 -0500
> > Hendrik Boom  wrote:
> > 
> > > And speaking of bookmarks, each browser seems to jealously hang on
> > > to its bookmarks, unless perhaps another browser manages to sneak in
> > > like a thief and import them.  Is this the way browsers cement their
> > > grip on users?  Isn't there any way of setting up bookmarks 
> > > so that multiple browsers and other tools can use them?
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > Using a very simple tab-indented outline that I maintain with
> > VimOutliner adorned Vim, plus a conversion app, I have hundreds of
> > bookmarks, organized just the way I want them. If I want to change the
> > organization, I do some cutting and pasting on my outline and
> > recompile. Every browser I use has a link called "littlinks", and
> > clicking it brings up my link hierarchy. In the past I've even tweaked
> > my desktop's Apache so any computer within the house could pull up my
> > links page at http://192.168.100.2/littlinks. On any browser,
> > including elinks.
> > 
> > I did this for the exact reason you state: To keep my bookmarks from
> > being held hostage by particular software.
> > 
> > If a lot of you want this, I'll slap a free software license on it and
> > release it.
> 
> ..make it GPLv2, v3 is too kind on violators. ;o)

How is v3 kinder on violators?  As far as I know, it has a lot of 
restrictions to forbid various kinds of abuse.

And to reach maximum availability for various forms of reuse, please 
if you want to use GPL2 or 3, use GPL2+.

I'd be happy with a freeer license, too.  There. a word with three 
consecutive e's!

-- hendrik

> 
> > SteveT
> > 
> > Steve Litt 
> > February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
> 
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> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
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Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

[Ron]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 16:00:56 -0500
Steve Litt  wrote:

> > > > On a happier note I have just bought another motorbike, a 1967 LE 
> > > > Velocette and it is much more fun than anything to do with
> > > > software!
> > > 
> > > I understand they have a systemd mod for that bike so that when the
> > > chain gets dry, it takes two tries to get it started.

> > That will never happen ;-)
> > It's shaft drive.

> Apparently you haven't seen the systemd model. The drive shaft twirl a
> planetary gear system, which drives a pair of rubber belts that
> transfer power to the transmission, which is mounted on the front fork.
> The transmission generates electricity for the motor, with gear ratios
> achieved by coil windings. The drive shifts gears by switching the
> sockets into which the windings are plugged: This technology is called
> socket activation. The transmission drives the chain, which drives the
> front wheel.

A chain-driven front-wheel-drive noddy bike ? The mind boggles...
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: [DNG] Browsers

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):

> ..make it GPLv2, v3 is too kind on violators. ;o)

Steve leans strongly towards permissive licensing, of the MIT-ish
flavour.  

Copyright violation is actually possible under permissive licences, too:
The obvious way is to wrongfully remove another contributor's copyright 
notice from incumbent source code -- as a judge found AT Bell Labs to
have done in his preliminary ruling in the AT v. UC Regents lawsuit 
(the BSD lawsuit), just before the case was quietly settled.  But
they're rare, because you have to be kind of a colossal idiot to violate
them.

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Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:43:06 +
Rowland Penny  wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:03:57 -0500
> Steve Litt  wrote:
> 
> 
> >   
> > > On a happier note I have just bought another motorbike, a 1967 LE 
> > > Velocette and it is much more fun than anything to do with
> > > software!  
> > 
> > I understand they have a systemd mod for that bike so that when the
> > chain gets dry, it takes two tries to get it started.
> >   
> 
> That will never happen ;-)
> It's shaft drive.
> 
> Rowland

Apparently you haven't seen the systemd model. The drive shaft twirl a
planetary gear system, which drives a pair of rubber belts that
transfer power to the transmission, which is mounted on the front fork.
The transmission generates electricity for the motor, with gear ratios
achieved by coil windings. The drive shifts gears by switching the
sockets into which the windings are plugged: This technology is called
socket activation. The transmission drives the chain, which drives the
front wheel.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Browsers

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:31:08 -0500, Steve wrote in message 
<20170225203108.2838a...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:34:50 -0500
> Hendrik Boom  wrote:
> 
> > And speaking of bookmarks, each browser seems to jealously hang on
> > to its bookmarks, unless perhaps another browser manages to sneak in
> > like a thief and import them.  Is this the way browsers cement their
> > grip on users?  Isn't there any way of setting up bookmarks 
> > so that multiple browsers and other tools can use them?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Using a very simple tab-indented outline that I maintain with
> VimOutliner adorned Vim, plus a conversion app, I have hundreds of
> bookmarks, organized just the way I want them. If I want to change the
> organization, I do some cutting and pasting on my outline and
> recompile. Every browser I use has a link called "littlinks", and
> clicking it brings up my link hierarchy. In the past I've even tweaked
> my desktop's Apache so any computer within the house could pull up my
> links page at http://192.168.100.2/littlinks. On any browser,
> including elinks.
> 
> I did this for the exact reason you state: To keep my bookmarks from
> being held hostage by particular software.
> 
> If a lot of you want this, I'll slap a free software license on it and
> release it.

..make it GPLv2, v3 is too kind on violators. ;o)

> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt 
> February 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive

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Re: [DNG] Browsers

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 04:00:23PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
> Am 23.02.2017 um 20:39 schrieb KatolaZ:
> >
> > "tabbed surf -g -e"
> >
> > and you are done. Well, you still need a good "man tabbed" and "man
> > surf" to get things done...
> 
> What is the option "-g" for? Mine seems to not have it.

-g is used to disable providing geo-location information to the
 server. It's there in surf 0.7. You can safely discard it altogether
 if you want.

> According to the man page, plugins should be supported by copying them
> to /usr/lib/browser-plugins. What type of plugins? Firefox? Chrome? Is
> it possible to use Lastpass? Do you have an example?

libflashplayer.so for flash is the only example I have at hand. I
don't know what Lastpass is. I don't use any other plugin.

> Is it possible to load Google as default page?

Definitely yes, but depending on what you exactly want to do you might
need to fiddle with xprop, as explained at this URL:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=192140

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Browsers

[J. Fahrner]

Am 23.02.2017 um 20:39 schrieb KatolaZ:
>
> "tabbed surf -g -e"
>
> and you are done. Well, you still need a good "man tabbed" and "man
> surf" to get things done...

What is the option "-g" for? Mine seems to not have it.
According to the man page, plugins should be supported by copying them
to /usr/lib/browser-plugins. What type of plugins? Firefox? Chrome? Is
it possible to use Lastpass? Do you have an example?
Is it possible to load Google as default page? When I append a URL the
-e option does not work.
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[DNG] Backports priority

[J. Fahrner]

According to this documentation:

https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

Backports should have a priority of 100 in the Release file:

" /All backports are deactivated by default (i.e. the packages are
pinned to 100 by using ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes in the Release files"/

This seems not to be the case with Devuan. I had to pin it explicitely
in the preferences file.

Regards

Jochen

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Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

[Rowland Penny]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:03:57 -0500
Steve Litt  wrote:


> 
> > On a happier note I have just bought another motorbike, a 1967 LE 
> > Velocette and it is much more fun than anything to do with software!
> 
> I understand they have a systemd mod for that bike so that when the
> chain gets dry, it takes two tries to get it started.
> 

That will never happen ;-)
It's shaft drive.

Rowland
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