Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread exhaust
In my opinion, this is the best that has been written about init or supervisor, (I'm absolutely agree with this) "There's no need to search for the perfect init or supervisor. Long ago we got a bunch of them that are all good enough, and can be combined to fill almost any need. This continuing

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread marc
> OK, I completely understand. It makes sense. It's pretty slick, too. I > never would have thought of it. > > Being a daemontools enthusiast, I still don't see fork_parent() as an > asset in late boot. But I have a feeling it, or something similar, > could be an asset in different contexts. As a

[DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 No further comment needed. Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog) Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 17.04.2017 16:37, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 >> >> No further comment needed. >> >> Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog) > > ROTFL > >

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread golinux
On 2017-04-17 04:18, Klaus Ethgen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 No further comment needed. Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog) Regards Klaus The best

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:33:06PM +0200, marc wrote: > the kernel thesedays > allows one to delegate the "default-child-collector" function of > init to other processes - that is what the container infrastructure uses. Which seems to be an effective rebuttal against the argument for systemd

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 No further comment needed. Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog) ROTFL Stupid question: why does systemd implement a rm command? They sold us

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 16:37:29 +0200 Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 > > > > No further comment needed. > > > > Have fun reading.

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/04/2017 à 10:57, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult a écrit : * srvmgt_report_state(...) --> report the service state to the supervisor --> states could be eg. * SRVMGT_STATE_STARTUP -- still within the startup phase * SRVMGT_STATE_READY_LOCAL -- ready for local

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
On 17 April 2017 at 12:18, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 > > No further comment needed. > > Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog) > > Regards >Klaus > - -- > Klaus

[DNG] Manjaro dropping consolekit

2017-04-17 Thread Adam
FYI, for those that are following the non-systemd distros, it seems that manjaro is dropping support for consolekit in its openrc spin, and will now require you to use elogind... https://forum.manjaro.org/t/switch-from-consolekit-to-elogind/19412/45 Cheers, A.

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread marc
> > I wonder why that general task of daemonizing cant just be done in a > > generic separate program and left out of the individual daemons. > > So, everybody can decide on this own how to actually start/manage > > the daemons - some use a supervisor, some just call via a daemonizer > > program

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 09:57:38PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:36 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 05:04:18PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 09:59:36PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT > > >

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Dan Purgert
On 04/17/2017 06:59 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > bwah!? > > How does one not know that rm will tell you off if you try to do > something daft like rm -rf ? > > I mean, yeah, maybe it was a pitfall a few decades ago, when computers > were handled by "trained professionals" ... > > On 04/17/2017

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Dan Purgert
bwah!? How does one not know that rm will tell you off if you try to do something daft like rm -rf ? I mean, yeah, maybe it was a pitfall a few decades ago, when computers were handled by "trained professionals" ... On 04/17/2017 05:18 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote: >

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 17.04.2017 17:11, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > The best response submitted to this bug has been removed but I saved it > and posted to #devuan. Poster was Buzzsomething: > > "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience" Ah, that explains why lennart closed the comments.

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Aldemir Akpinar writes: It also has the grand finale: poettering locked and limited conversation to collaborators 2 hours ago Makes sense. Nothing new was being said, just old stuff repeated, and the bug was fixed three weeks ago. Arnt ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread golinux
On 2017-04-17 11:22, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: On 17.04.2017 17:11, goli...@dyne.org wrote: The best response submitted to this bug has been removed but I saved it and posted to #devuan. Poster was Buzzsomething: "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix

Re: [DNG] /etc/debian_version

2017-04-17 Thread Jaromil
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote: >Oops, I didn't know that missing /etc/debian_version was a bug >and sent a PR to certbot on GitHub to support Devuan: >[1]https://github.com/certbot/certbot/pull/4515 thanks Emiliano! ideally we'd want all sorts of services reading that

[DNG] Another minor Debian vestige

2017-04-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
I just installed lighttpd, and it properly served its front page, which tells me I should configure the system to show my web content instead of the frot page. But the front page also says, > This is a placeholder page installed by the Debian release of the > Lighttpd server package. > >

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread Simon Hobson
exha...@posteo.net wrote: > In my opinion, this is the best that has been written about init or > supervisor, +1 > (I'm absolutely agree with this) > > "There's no need to search for the perfect init or supervisor. Long ago > we got a bunch of them that are all good enough, and can be

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 at 12:06:44 +0200 (CEST) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Enrico Weigelt: > ... > > Let's just take some example: libsrvmgt with funcs like that: > > > > * srvmgt_daemonize() > > --> detach from controlling terminal, etc > > Why do any monitor program need to know if the

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-04-17 17:11, schrieb goli...@dyne.org: "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience" LOL! My favourite rant was from Linus Torvalds: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/05/torvalds_sievers_dust_up/ Jochen ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Manjaro dropping consolekit

2017-04-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il 17/04/2017 15:35, Adam ha scritto: > FYI, for those that are following the non-systemd distros, it seems that > manjaro is dropping support for consolekit in its openrc spin, and will > now require you to use elogind... > > https://forum.manjaro.org/t/switch-from-consolekit-to-elogind/19412/45

Re: [DNG] /etc/debian_version

2017-04-17 Thread Emiliano Marini
Oops, I didn't know that missing /etc/debian_version was a bug and sent a PR to certbot on GitHub to support Devuan: https://github.com/certbot/certbot/pull/4515 It failed on a fresh Jessie install because it hadn't /etc/debian_version, and I tought that was right for future releases, so I

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-17 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 17/04/2017 at 03:57, Steve Litt wrote: [...] > There's no need to search for the perfect init or supervisor. Long ago > we got a bunch of them that are all good enough, and can be combined to > fill almost any need. This continuing search for a perfect init is just > wheel spinning, or