Re: [DNG] BAD sig with Devuan Jessie 1.0.0-RC

2017-04-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > Also I was a little too harsh toward Rick. Sorry! Not the slightest offence taken. I was just trying to help you and others deal with the reality that all mailing lists necessarily have message size limits, for very obvious reasons. I'm

Re: [DNG] reportbug, unable to connect to devuan bts

2017-04-24 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 10:09:39PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > all the known outstanding issues which were not just bare comments > have been already imported in bugs.devuan.org (and most of them have > also been fixed and closed). Here's one example why I asked about this. I filed an issue on gitlab

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 07:13:31PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > Snowden is far from clueless. He might be a shill, but he's far from > > clueless. > > ...and, he promotes Tails and Qubes OS, both running systemd. > Ed came forward with the ugly truth on NSA etc espionage > on their own

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread fsmithred
On 04/24/2017 10:39 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:43:35 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message > <1b574913-ccd5-2395-1c8d-2647d7e40...@gmail.com>: > >> On 04/24/2017 07:21 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 05:18:32 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message >>>

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:21:53 +0200, parazyd wrote in message <20170424152153.GA12944@fq>: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:25:09 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > <20170424122509.gt14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 05:10:35PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > ..we don't warn them before we drop them online on wired networks with > heads-0.2. > The vdev iso does this right though, it stays offline until you e.g. > run setnet.sh. > > ..I agree this is a policy issue, and we

Re: [DNG] BAD sig with Devuan Jessie 1.0.0-RC

2017-04-24 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170424-17:28-0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:22:09 +0200 > Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > Hmmh... right now I'm having some health issues, and can only work at > > rather degraded level of efficiency... Do you have any links where I can > > read

Re: [DNG] BAD sig with Devuan Jessie 1.0.0-RC

2017-04-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > IOW, I asked for links where it is explained why "the withholding of > commercial-usage rights" "is not deemed an open source / free-software > licence". Quoting OSD #6 from https://opensource.org/osd-annotated : 6. No Discrimination

[DNG] jessie-vdev2 iso, was ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Joel Roth
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 08:43:35AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > >> If you want to try the October live iso, let me know. > jessie-vdev2 iso: > http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/ Thanks for this. It is nice to have a running example of a linux system with vdev! > Notes: > -

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread fsmithred
On 04/23/2017 07:13 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message > <20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>: > >> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:21:53 +1000, Ralph wrote in message >> : >> >>> >>> >>> Arnt Karlsen wrote on

Re: [DNG] BAD sig with Devuan Jessie 1.0.0-RC

2017-04-24 Thread Jaromil
dear Miroslav, first of all thanks for your attention to details, your report and that of another person in private is helping to review small problems in the release process, one reason why this is an RC after all is that we shouldn't give anything for granted in this process, but battle test

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 16:24:19 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170424152419.gu14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 05:10:35PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > ..we don't warn them before we drop them online on wired networks > > with heads-0.2. > > The vdev

Re: [DNG] My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute

2017-04-24 Thread richard lucassen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:39:31 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:11:11 +0200 > richard lucassen wrote: > > > > My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute. > > > > We live in an idiocracy nowadays. >

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:16:03 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message : > On 04/24/2017 10:39 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:43:35 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message > > <1b574913-ccd5-2395-1c8d-2647d7e40...@gmail.com>: > > > >> On

Re: [DNG] reportbug, unable to connect to devuan bts

2017-04-24 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 07:36:11PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > thanks for your patience. Your issue was already in bugs.devuan.org > (since the 24th March): Thanks KatolaZ for pointing it out. That also explains why searching against apt-cacher-ng didn't come back with any results. Greg -- web

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 09:14:23PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > ..in both cases we end users get tricked into bad things, the only > real difference is, systemd endpoint security is intentional and > controlled by _somebody_, while zsh+awesome endpoint security is > _accidential_,

Re: [DNG] reportbug, unable to connect to devuan bts

2017-04-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 10:56:04AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 10:09:39PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > all the known outstanding issues which were not just bare comments > > have been already imported in bugs.devuan.org (and most of them have > > also been fixed and closed).

Re: [DNG] My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute

2017-04-24 Thread Ron
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:11:11 +0200 richard lucassen wrote: > > My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute. > > We live in an idiocracy nowadays. Given there are 135 million births a year worldwide, out of which 2.2% are more than 2 standard deviations

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread fsmithred
On 04/24/2017 03:59 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:16:03 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message > : > >> On 04/24/2017 10:39 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:43:35 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message >>>

Re: [DNG] BAD sig with Devuan Jessie 1.0.0-RC

2017-04-24 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170424-10:21-0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > > > Also I was a little too harsh toward Rick. Sorry! > > Not the slightest offence taken. Very glad to read that! :) > I was just trying to help you and > others deal with the reality that all

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 03:05:42AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:47:59 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > <20170419214759.gc14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:37:32PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > ..what nasty command

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 05:18:32 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message : > On 04/23/2017 07:13 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message > > <20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>: > > > >> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread fsmithred
On 04/24/2017 07:21 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 05:18:32 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message > : >>> >> >> I don't know if this would be of any help to you, but I have a vdev >> live iso that I made using Ralph's vdev packages

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 19:54:58 +0200, Tomasz wrote in message <20170424175458.ga97...@mother.pipebreaker.pl>: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 07:13:31PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > > Snowden is far from clueless. He might be a shill, but he's far > > > from clueless. > > > > ...and, he

Re: [DNG] A nice write-up.

2017-04-24 Thread Emiliano Marini
Indeed :) On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Brad Campbell wrote: > On 23/04/17 17:33, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > >> www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/ >> >> > > The comments are more entertaining. > > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

2017-04-24 Thread golinux
On 2017-04-24 23:43, Joachim Fahrner wrote: Am 2017-04-21 18:14, schrieb Veteran Unix Admins: # Downloads Official Devuan images are distributed via the website (https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/) To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of the following

Re: [DNG] ..vdev box recovery ideas?, was: gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:43:35 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message <1b574913-ccd5-2395-1c8d-2647d7e40...@gmail.com>: > On 04/24/2017 07:21 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 05:18:32 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message > > : > > > > >>>

Re: [DNG] ..setnet.sh, wicd and heads-0.2 scorn, was:..vdev box recovery ideas?

2017-04-24 Thread parazyd
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:25:09 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > <20170424122509.gt14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 03:05:42AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:47:59 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > >