Re: [DNG] suspicious firefox behaviour

2019-01-31 Thread Miroslav Skoric
On 1/31/19 3:00 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I have firefox up with a number of tabs. I shut wifi off on my Purism laptop by shutting off power to the radio. I start up a new tab by clicking on '+'. I ask to look at file:///home/hendrik by typing in the url bar. Nothing happens. It's frozen. I try

[DNG] testing beowulf

2019-01-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
Where should I get the installer for the beowulf version that needs to be tested now? I plan to install it on a spare partition of my hard drive and hope the installed dual boot still recognises my existing ascii partition. I will *not* be using a virtual machine. I can test on two systems

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread Joel Roth via Dng
Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 31/01/19 at 03:38, Joel Roth via Dng wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> Might interest someone: > >> > >> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ > >> > >> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet > >> > >> His

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread Simon Hobson
Alessandro Selli wrote: >> Hard to believe I listened to the same talk Corbet >> is describing. What I heard was a propaganda piece, >> finding reasons to sell the systemd approach >> to BSD conference attendees. > > Not really. He points out there were good reasons to want a new init, >

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 31/01/19 at 03:38, Joel Roth via Dng wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> Might interest someone: >> >> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ >> >> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet >> >> His attempt to cast that story for the >> pleasure

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread Massimo Coppola
Hi all, I don't contribute often to the list, but I really found irritating that after setting a cuckoo egg in the nest someone comes and start telling everyone how much nice is the deviant bird. I think Lars Noodén already pointed out, the news is that the target of systemd propaganda is

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread Lars Noodén via Dng
On 1/31/19 4:38 AM, Joel Roth via Dng wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> Might interest someone: >> >> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ >> >> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet >> >> His attempt to cast that story for the >> pleasure

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread al3xu5 / dotcommon
Il giorno mercoledì 30/01/2019 18:57:05 -0600 goli...@dyne.org ha scritto: > On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > Might interest someone: > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ > > > > [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet > > > > Tragedy, according to Wikipedia,

[DNG] Help testing new policykit in Beowulf

2019-01-31 Thread KatolaZ
Dear D1rs, thanks to the efforts made by Mark (LeePen), Andreas (amesseer), Centurion Dan, and Svante (gnu_srs), we have now updated policykit packages for unstable and Beowulf (testing). Please help testing those packages. In particular, if you are using Beowulf/ceres with the old ascii polkit

Re: [DNG] Help testing new policykit in Beowulf

2019-01-31 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 03:22:36PM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 1/31/19 12:32 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > This is a good step forward towards Beowulf beta. How far it is > > depends also on how quickly we can identify and solve current problems > > in beowulf. So please help testing. > > >

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread Simon Hobson
Massimo Coppola wrote: > But I guess there's no need either to list all technical systemd issues here, > or accept the unsound logic that unkind developers are the only reason of > systemd criticism. With all the hot air, I suspect that many people have lost sight of the distinction between

Re: [DNG] Help testing new policykit in Beowulf

2019-01-31 Thread Dimitris via Dng
On 1/31/19 12:32 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > This is a good step forward towards Beowulf beta. How far it is > depends also on how quickly we can identify and solve current problems > in beowulf. So please help testing. Thanks to anyone involved, this is very good news! :) upgraded to newer policykit

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Simon Hobson - 31.01.19, 14:07: > Massimo Coppola wrote: […] > It's clear that systemd isn't the right implementation. And it's clear > that Poettering isn't the right person to be doing it. But I'd > suggest that many of us "systemd - just say no" folks aren't > fundamentally opposed to

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread mett
On 2019年1月31日 15:22:57 JST, Rick Moen wrote: >Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> Might interest someone: >> >> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ >> >> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet >> >> Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based

Re: [DNG] suspicious firefox behaviour

2019-01-31 Thread hal
On 1/30/19 8:00 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: So I ask: Why should firefox need to access the net to look at the hard drive in the laptop. Using Devuan Ascii and the firefox it provides. All I can think of is Possibly a DNS query is waiting. Try running: tcpdump -nn -s0 -A -i

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread Clarke Sideroad via Dng
On 2019-01-31 1:22 a.m., Rick Moen wrote: As I'm (like you) an LWN.net subscriber, I can furnish a 'subscriber link' for the benefit of Dng readers. Enjoy. https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/777595/c64f9542bdd40595/ Thanks Rick, I appreciate this. Reading it was like reading the incomplete logic

Re: [DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 31 January 2019 at 15:49:25, hal wrote: > On 1/31/19 8:44 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > > What happens if you try following that info? Do you run into some > > problem when the machine turns out to be running Devuan and not Debian? > > Yeah, my concern is that adding the Stretch

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread hal
On 1/31/19 12:22 AM, Rick Moen wrote: As I'm (like you) an LWN.net subscriber, I can furnish a 'subscriber link' for the benefit of Dng readers. Enjoy. https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/777595/c64f9542bdd40595/ Thanks, Rick. Interesting read. Regarding systemd..If it were as grand as the

[DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread hal
Is there an established way to get an Nvidia driver installed on Devuan? I've tried googling it but just end up getting debian info. Thanks. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread hal
On 1/31/19 8:44 AM, Antony Stone wrote: What happens if you try following that info? Do you run into some problem when the machine turns out to be running Devuan and not Debian? Yeah, my concern is that adding the Stretch "non-free" will pull in a bunch of dependencies for X (lord knows

Re: [DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 31 January 2019 at 15:38:13, hal wrote: > Is there an established way to get an Nvidia driver installed on Devuan? > I've tried googling it but just end up getting debian info. What happens if you try following that info? Do you run into some problem when the machine turns out to

Re: [DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 09:36:45AM -0600, hal wrote: > > > On 1/31/19 9:27 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > You don't need to add Stretch- non-free. Just ass ascii non-free if > > you must. > > > Sweet! What should it be? The installer left this in sources.list but I > don't have the CDROM in: >#

Re: [DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread hal
On 1/31/19 9:46 AM, KatolaZ wrote: deb http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free Installing now.. and maybe also have a look at: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list Actually did run across that page, but it didn't list "non-free" as an option so

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

2019-01-31 Thread lpb+devuan
On 1/31/19 7:50 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Simon Hobson - 31.01.19, 14:07: >> Massimo Coppola wrote: > […] >> It's clear that systemd isn't the right implementation. And it's clear >> that Poettering isn't the right person to be doing it. But I'd >> suggest that many of us "systemd - just

Re: [DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 08:49:25AM -0600, hal wrote: > > > On 1/31/19 8:44 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > > What happens if you try following that info? Do you run into some problem > > when the machine turns out to be running Devuan and not Debian? > > > Yeah, my concern is that adding the

Re: [DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 08:49:25AM -0600, hal wrote: > > > On 1/31/19 8:44 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > > What happens if you try following that info? Do you run into some problem > > when the machine turns out to be running Devuan and not Debian? > > > Yeah, my concern is that adding the

Re: [DNG] nvidia driver?

2019-01-31 Thread hal
On 1/31/19 9:27 AM, KatolaZ wrote: You don't need to add Stretch- non-free. Just ass ascii non-free if you must. Sweet! What should it be? The installer left this in sources.list but I don't have the CDROM in: # deb cdrom:[devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1]/ ascii main non-free Tried