Why do you think I was speaking of you? I was rather talking of
some Lennart and, what's his name, the guy who maintains Gnu libc and
hates static linking.
Didier
Le 12/02/2015 20:07, Usspookes Lovesystemd a écrit :
Bro why do you have to do me like that?
Cmon.
--- k...@in2p3.fr wrot
Isaac Dunham wrote:
> Or just:
> apt-get install icewm
>
> Comes up and works *right* out of the box, though it might not look
> like everyone's first choice (the default theme is rather gray.)
>
> You can add shortcut keys in ~/.icewm/keys:
> key "Shift+Print" scrot
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:01:15PM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> install IceWM? but-but-but it's C++, so it's large and bloated,
> right? right??? ???_???
Bloated? IceWM?
Absolutely...*if* you're comparing it to twm, jwm, or a few other such
window managers.
Here, it's +3911k installed, including esoun
Hi devuan,I ran across this init system the other day, and it made me think of
devuan:http://depinit.sourceforge.net/
It looks like it was used for awhile by Linux-From-Scratch, discussed a bit on
Gentoo lists, adored by a small number of fans, and otherwise ignored.
Perusing the docs and the
install IceWM? but-but-but it's C++, so it's large and bloated,
right? right??? ಠ_ಠ
--Gravis
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:30:58AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:33:51 +0200
>> Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>>
>> > Whilst I am s
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 08:21:26PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 12:05:35AM +, Nuno Magalh?es wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > > Considering the dependencies on libsystemd0, libpam-systemd, libudev0, and
> > > libudev1, I get:
>
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:50:08AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> Here's the source of this desire. I have bad eyesight. No matter how I
> set VGA or console or whatever in Grub, when udev runs, it changes the
> screen to a framebuffer with teensy-tiny fonts I can't read. Which
> means all my virtual t
On Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 12:05:35AM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > Considering the dependencies on libsystemd0, libpam-systemd, libudev0, and
> > libudev1, I get:
>
> I don't see eudev or mdev in Debian's repos, are there any viable
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:30:58AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:33:51 +0200
> Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers are, I
> > don't think we will ever get there with desktops.
>
> Just for fun, try Openbox with custom k
> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:39:26 +
> From: Jaromil
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
> Message-ID: <20150212103926.GA14149@fork>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> let me express my personal concern about the logo being too close to
> t
Hey, Steve! Sorry about the "tome" but it is an interesting and long-winded
subject.
“I agree that use of C has lessened, and that less of us understand C
today. I disagree that this is necessarily the cause of the problem.”
I'm afraid that is where we differ, Steve, at least in the overall pic
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:54:05PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Hey Guys, I would love to have a dispute about languages, but I
> don't think it's in the scope of this mailing list. Do you? Excuse
> me for having fed it.
Off topic? That's already been established, in a thread about
Hey Guys, I would love to have a dispute about languages, but I
don't think it's in the scope of this mailing list. Do you? Excuse
me for having fed it.
Didier
Le 12/02/2015 21:07, Jude Nelson a
écrit :
I tend to use C, C with C++ S
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:43:57AM -0800, Usspookes Lovesystemd wrote:
> Here here!
>
> FUCK Debian.
> FUCK them.
>
> They spit in all of your faces.
> There needs to be a fairly clean break, atleast in the mind.
> Everything has to be, eventually, forked to keep a non-systemd userland
> (non db
I tend to use C, C with C++ STL containers (I hesitate to call it "C++"),
and Python pretty regularly. I'd use Python more often if (1) its
multi-threading wasn't so terrible (GIL, anyone?), (2) the VM did basic
static analysis, like verifying that I didn't use variable before
initializing it, and
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:51:34PM -0500, william moss wrote:
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> On 02/12/2015 01:42 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > ...
> >>
> >> I have been programming in C
> >> from the beginning
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On 02/12/2015 01:42 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> ...
>>
>> I have been programming in C
>> from the beginning of the 80's and loved it, but I think C++ is
>> wrong by design (personal though
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:43:57AM -0800, Usspookes Lovesystemd wrote:
> Here here!
>
> FUCK Debian.
> FUCK them.
>
> They spit in all of your faces.
> There needs to be a fairly clean break, atleast in the mind.
> Everything has to be, eventually, forked to keep a non-systemd userland
> (non db
Bro why do you have to do me like that?
Cmon.
--- k...@in2p3.fr wrote:
From: Didier Kryn
To: Steve Litt , dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:37:11 +0100
Steve I am sure your words go beyond your thoughts :-) .
I wish debian was like that! There WOULD NOT be this SITUATION NOW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoqoYVntZAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoqoYVntZAA
!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoqoYVntZAA
THIS IS WHAT SYSTEM DEE SOUNDS LIKE.
! ! ! ! ! !
--- helle...@dyne.org wrote:
From: hellek
Steve,
On Debian, at least, console fonts and sizes are set in
/etc/default/console-setup and your distribution may have something
similar.
- Nate
--
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more:
On 02/12/2015 06:35 AM, Jaromil wrote:
>
> However we have started setting up a listserver with some volunteers and
> soon or later decisions will be made.
>
> Perhaps the first list to be born should one to discuss on how to
> structure the communication architecture?
>
*** I think we have it a
I now know how Russians feel about the fall of their country.
--- usspookslovesyste...@muchomail.com wrote:
From: "Usspookes Lovesystemd"
To: "Clarke Sideroad"
Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:48:04 -0800
Th
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:42:07AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:25:46 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > Same kind of dislike towards network-manager. This is the first
> > package I use to remove after installing Debian. The reason: I don't
> > know really what it does
Absolutly agree 100+74 percent.
--- hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
From: Hendrik Boom
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:42:44 -0500
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
...
>
> I have b
The proper word for those distro maintainers is faggots/transexuals/SJWs
This is exactly what they are, take a look at planetdebian during the systemd
debates
and alittle before it. Faggots/transsexuals/SJWs and proud of it.
There was NONE of that when Linux was in acendancy (2000-2012). Only en
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
...
>
> I have been programming in C
> from the beginning of the 80's and loved it, but I think C++ is
> wrong by design (personal thought), although I have no choice but to
> use programs written in that language, as well as Perl, Pytho
Here here!
FUCK Debian.
FUCK them.
They spit in all of your faces.
There needs to be a fairly clean break, atleast in the mind.
Everything has to be, eventually, forked to keep a non-systemd userland
(non dbus too hopefully) old style unixlike linux in existance.
The people that have taken over
Jaromil why wasn't the logo I submitted, the squgilly spiral of blue and orange,
even amongst the options at all. Is this a slap in my face and a stab in the
back?
Why? I've never done anything to you and want you to succeed in recreating the
linux we all knew before this crap happened.
Cmon.
-
Seconded!
--- k...@in2p3.fr wrote:
From: Didier Kryn
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:25:46 +0100
Agreed, Martijn. I know others doing like you. This makes full sense.
But there are also people, li
IMHO Linux has not lost its way but most of the Distros have.
Back when I discovered Linux and the Linux Desktop I was like a fat kid
at the Free Candy Store.
I'd read about something find it slightly interesting or think I might
be able to use it in the future and add it to my installation.
UneasyRevise
http://youtu.be/otNWjIXFX-A
What do you think?
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Why? Bastille is/was great.
It didn't change, the rug was pulled out from underneath it.
Who would have thought routines in TK and ncurses would be
Dpreeeciattteedd!!! (gay voice of the SJWers)
--- kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
From: Adam Borowski
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] Plea
Modern linux isn't linux. It's something else.
If there is a reason for going beyond the unix permissions it is likely
the same reason we now have backdoors such as Intel Active Management
Technology (aka vpro/vt/etc) and whatever AMD's version of the same thing is.
These things punch a hole in
The following is for debian-like distro:
http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-wifi-roaming-with-wpa-supplicant/
Then you can use the method of Isaac and write manually your
configuration file, or use wpa_gui, which integrates a lot of tools to
help you, like scanning the wifi stations, detect
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:42:07AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:25:46 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > Same kind of dislike towards network-manager. This is the first
> > package I use to remove after installing Debian. The reason: I don't
> > know really what it does
Steve I am sure your words go beyond your thoughts :-) .
Everybody needs a computer today and most people aren't system
hackers or even can write programs. They are not idiots for that reason.
And, as you know, there are also idiots amongst system hackers, like
someones Devuan wants t
Am 12.02.2015 um 10:30 schrieb Jaromil:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>> John is a long-time Debian developer who opines on the complexity he
>> faces in Jessie:
>>
>> http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9299-has-modern-linux-lost-its-way-some-thoughts-on-jessie
>
> thanks for this
Here is /etc/network/interfaces:
# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
# Wifi interface:
allow-hotplug wlan0
iface wlan0 inet manual
wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
# Default name given by wpa_supplicant
Hi Steve,
Can you confirm that it is udev causing this, and not something that can
you cannot override with a kernel parameter (like vga=ext)?
Also, if you know of a script or set of commands that sets the appropriate
resolution, I can have vdev run them when it enumerates the DRI devices.
Thank
> It must be perfectly doable to have a linux desktop without systemd
and policykit, and also without dbus. I am sorry for the guy who gently
proposes to maintain dbus on devuan, but I would like if its installation
was optionnal, because I would like to see how it can work without it.
Dbus ma
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:27:10AM +, Jaromil wrote:
> its sort of ready now, but as "I'm eating my own dogfood" (tm) I already
> notice the staging workflow can be made better by creating different git
> repositories for new versions of the same source, rather than different
> branches. This b
disclaimer:
the last time I've looked into this it was about 10 years ago
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, Steve Litt wrote:
> That's good news, because on Manjaro and CentOS, *U*dev changes the
> screen resolution.
I suspect that is because it may be loading the framebuffer driver?
I also hate when it ha
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:46:42 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:40:33 +
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > Having said that, and besides the fact
> > that I don't understand what you mean by a "temporary fork" (a fork
> > is a fork, it happens at a point in time and unless you c
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:40 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 03:24:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>>
>> so i just wanted to put that thought into people's minds to consider,
>> as i see quite a lot of potential "scope creep" in the past two weekly
>> summa
Hi Gravis,
That's good news, because on Manjaro and CentOS, *U*dev changes the
screen resolution.
Thanks
SteveT
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:18:49 -0500
Gravis wrote:
> steve, vdev has nothing to do with the screen resolution and will not
> alter it any more than a "Hello World" program would.
> --
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:40:33 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> Having said that, and besides the fact
> that I don't understand what you mean by a "temporary fork" (a fork is
> a fork, it happens at a point in time and unless you can travel back
> in the past, a fork has to be *permanent* by definition), no
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 03:24:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
[cut]
>
> so i just wanted to put that thought into people's minds to consider,
> as i see quite a lot of potential "scope creep" in the past two weekly
> summary debates that (fortunately!) has been sensibly debated a
i just read http://lists.devuan.org/dwn/1423732562.11152_1.fork:2,S.html
and i note that there are considerable plans to move away from the way
that things are done in debian (use of jenkins instead of dbuild, and
so on).
first some background: it strikes me that the arrogance and betrayal
of the
steve, vdev has nothing to do with the screen resolution and will not
alter it any more than a "Hello World" program would.
--Gravis
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi Jude,
>
> I have no idea if this would be possible, but if it is, it would be
> nice.
>
> It would be nice
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:17:36 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> "John clearly states that he believes the problems are distinct from
> systemd. While many here may not necessarily agree, I do agree that
> various aspects of the system have become, if not complex, at least
> more opaque than in the pas
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:54:26 +0100
Patrick Erdmann wrote:
> On 12.02.2015 15:35, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:21:00 +
> > KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:33:51AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> >>
> >> [cut]
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Whilst I am still utterly amaze
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:42:07AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:25:46 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > Same kind of dislike towards network-manager. This is the first
> > package I use to remove after installing Debian. The reason: I don't
> > know really what it does
Hi Jude,
I have no idea if this would be possible, but if it is, it would be
nice.
It would be nice if either:
* vdev doesn't change the screen resolution/display method, or
* vdev enables you to specify screen resolution/display method
Here's the source of this desire. I have bad eyesight. No
On 12.02.2015 15:35, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:21:00 +
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:33:51AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>>
>> [cut]
>>
>>>
>>> Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers
>>> are, I don't think we will ever get there w
On 02/12/2015 07:39 AM, Jaromil wrote:
>
> hi all
>
> the last community curated DWN expresses enthusiasm for a logo design
> which wasn't included in the poll (because absent from the wiki),
>
*** I want to clear a misunderstanding. I wrote this article in DWN,
entirely on my own, and I request
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:25:46 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Same kind of dislike towards network-manager. This is the first
> package I use to remove after installing Debian. The reason: I don't
> know really what it does and how, but it goes in the middle of my
> way. I am well off with ifplu
> Well said KatolaZ. If they want eye-candy and software that
> incorporates human confusion, they should use Windows or Mac. For the
> person who hasn't resigned himself to being an idiot, Linux has
> Openbox, Windowmaker, LXDE, and a whole bunch of other straightforward
> user interfaces.
>
>
For
> Just for fun, try Openbox with custom key-combos, including an easy to
> hit key-combo to run dmenu. You might like to customize dmenu so its
> menu displays down the screen instead of across the top (-L).
>
> Do these things and you just might like Linux desktopping again.
>
>
Never had an issue
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:21:00 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:33:51AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers
> > are, I don't think we will ever get there with desktops.
> >
>
> Agree. That's exactly
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:33:51 +0200
Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers are, I
> don't think we will ever get there with desktops.
Just for fun, try Openbox with custom key-combos, including an easy to
hit key-combo to run dmenu. You might like
To me the issue is independent of the source language used. A popular
object of criticism is polkit. For fun I took a look at the polkit man
page on this Sid machine and while I have a general idea of what it
does, it's overkill for my single user machine. While it's likely that
it solves some e
hi all
the last community curated DWN expresses enthusiasm for a logo design
which wasn't included in the poll (because absent from the wiki),
however this doesn't means that logo has been choosen. As discussions
followed it was clear that a design group is forming to work together in
the good sp
Agreed, Martijn. I know others doing like you. This makes full sense.
But there are also people, like me, who are fans of DIY, and have
fun assembling things to obtain a nice working Linux desktop (I also
install and manage servers). It takes some time, but it is (was?)
perfectly doabl
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:12:17 +0300
> mitt_gr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Those who
> > are yelling using curse language cannot change a thing.
>
> That's one troll. Send him to /dev/null and move on. As that troll
> assumes additional email addresses, /dev/nul
dear Nate,
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> John is a long-time Debian developer who opines on the complexity he
> faces in Jessie:
>
> http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9299-has-modern-linux-lost-its-way-some-thoughts-on-jessie
thanks for this and your ramblings, very nice re
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
>Hi Jaromil, Thank you for clarifying.* I'm sorry if I'm asking
>questions too early ;)
no problem, you are helping me to choose the answers and anyone reading
to figure out.
>*I'll give it another try when you feel like the SDK is ready.
its
dear Steve,
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Steve Litt wrote:
> Summarizing the most important point I'm trying to make: In my opinion
> separating philosophy and legitimate and reasonable user preference
> discussions from coding discussions would be a big mistake.
I really agree with this. That's mostl
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