Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Linuxito
Great reading. I knew RMS would answer something like that to that question, if it's licensed under GPL, it's free software, period. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Nextime next...@nexlab.it wrote: On March 21, 2015 3:34:28 PM WET, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote: re all, perhaps

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Lars Noodén
On 21.03.2015 18:51, Linuxito wrote: Great reading. I knew RMS would answer something like that to that question, if it's licensed under GPL, it's free software, period. ( Actually it's LGPL [1] but ... ) I expect that he is thinking about it and will be thinking about it a while longer before

[Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Jaromil
re all, perhaps interesting to perceive the atmosphere, no trolling intended and please consider we shall not fight, rather seek undersanding and claim respect and the right to have different opinions than the majority. At Libreplanet (the GNU/FSF conference) today someone (who?? thanks for

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 03:33:20AM +0100, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Fri 20 March 2015 22:09:20 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: for details on how all this works on apt level with the devuan overlay over debian, you rather ask nextime. Rather first look here:

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Jude Nelson
I think what we're after is a way to accept/reject software based on a well-defined set of acceptance criteria. It sounds like we're trying to say that the mission statement of Devuan is something like Devuan prioritizes the inclusion of Free Software that follows the Unix software design

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- From: Didier Kryn [mailto:k...@in2p3.fr] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 11:04 AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied? We all agree that Devuan was born to be systemd-free and this looks like a

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:04:00 +0100 Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: However, the long term policy of Devuan can't be We hate systemd and Lennart Poetering. Instead Devuan should advertize the reasons to reject software like systemd, in the form of a set of rules for acceptability, in a

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 03:56:01PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: I think what we're after is a way to accept/reject software based on a well-defined set of acceptance criteria. It sounds like we're trying to say that the mission statement of Devuan is something like Devuan prioritizes the

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread P. T. Zoltowski
RMS stance is understandable, because he is also responsible for the current situation. He failed to predict it, and his dream is now turning into another Animal Farm, where some developers are becoming more equal than others (it's an open question if there was a better strategy possible when GPL

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
[...all...] Sounds familiar? It's because developing and earning money on support only will always lead to such pathologies. [...] Full ACK Internet and downloading complete distros (for free) kills the Linux FOSS ecosystem now, like downloading mp3 music did kill the music ecosystem. Suse

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Sun 22 March 2015 00:40:45 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: kills the Linux FOSS ecosystem now, This time read ecosystem as economic system. The ecologic system aka community is probably still fine. RH just establishes the new better economic system:

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread devuan . kn
Hi Jörg, I am going to get beaten for this, but that proposal is actually brilliant! Well, brilliant if you are not bothered by btrfs that is:-) But that is what I got backups for. While I do not care about all the sandboxing that got mixed into this, the rest got me really thinking about my

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 04:31:31PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: That is, prioritizing rather than excluding. So we can still, for example, keep the linux kernel. :) The kernel is replaceable. Don't forget about kfreebsd (ok, hurd's state is a bad joke). Of course, the pro-systemd party has

[Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Robert Storey
Hopefully, it's just a rumor, though it sounds real. Indeed, I've been wondering why RMS hasn't commented on systemd long ago when it became obvious that it would effectively dump his beloved Hurd project into the trash can. If he really called someone a troll for asking his opinion of systemd,

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Sun 22 March 2015 01:15:18 devuan...@spamgourmet.net wrote: Hi Jörg, I am going to get beaten for this, but that proposal is actually brilliant! Well, brilliant if you are not bothered by btrfs that is:-) But that is what I got backups for. Besides me for one not liking the idea to *get*

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:00:40 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Didier Kryn [mailto:k...@in2p3.fr] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 11:04 AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread devuan . kn
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Joerg Reisenweber - reisenwe...@web.de devuan.kn.d76efe93d7.reisenweber#web...@ob.0sg.net wrote: Besides me for one not liking the idea to *get* *forced* to use btrfs for /, The only way not to be forcing anybody is to stick with the least common denominator for

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Sun 22 March 2015 01:42:33 devuan...@spamgourmet.net wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Joerg Reisenweber - reisenwe...@web.de devuan.kn.d76efe93d7.reisenweber#web...@ob.0sg.net wrote: Besides me for one not liking the idea to *get* *forced* to use btrfs for /, The only way not

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Olson
On March 21, 2015 at 11:34 AM Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote: re all, perhaps interesting to perceive the atmosphere, no trolling intended and please consider we shall not fight, rather seek undersanding and claim respect and the right to have different opinions than the majority. At

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Olson
On March 21, 2015 at 12:25 PM Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Perhaps it's time to add something along the lines of the freedom to install software without it taking over your machine (obviously this needs work, or we'd it would eliminate things like the kernel, file

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Olson
On March 21, 2015 at 6:36 PM Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully, it's just a rumor, though it sounds real. Indeed, I've been wondering why RMS hasn't commented on systemd long ago when it became obvious that it would effectively dump his beloved Hurd project into the