Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Arthur Marsh
Adam Borowski wrote on 29/01/16 02:46: On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without libsystemd0? ... I just uploaded deinfested xserver-xorg packages, but I don't have the time right now to test on

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: > Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without > libsystemd0? libsystemd0 is benign. The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as it actually breaks things if systemd is absent. On the other hand,

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Adam Borowski writes: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: >> Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without >> libsystemd0? > > libsystemd0 is benign. libsystemd0 is a library implementation of (some parts of) the systemd

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread richard lucassen
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:17:37 +0100 Tobias Hunger wrote: > Actually libsystemd0 is a compatibility library: It does whatever the > user wanted it to do if systemd is up and running and falls back to > doing nothing if systemd is not in use. It was written to allow >

Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop

2016-01-28 Thread Brad Campbell
On 28/01/16 11:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:05:08 +0800, Brad wrote in message <56a97754.7050...@fnarfbargle.com>: I'm running an early 2015 Macbook Pro. I have OSX, Windows 7 & Linux installed. I live in Linux, but on the rare occassions I need to boot into OSX or Win 7 I

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:07:00 +0100, Florian wrote in message <20160128160700.57262036.f.zieb...@web.de>: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:15:01 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > > > * In the "configure

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 28/01/2016 18:11, richard lucassen a écrit : The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd >that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name. You might as well write paranoid instead of allergic. Because many on this list expect that libsystemd0

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat
richard lucassen writes: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:17:37 +0100 > Tobias Hunger wrote: > >> Actually libsystemd0 is a compatibility library: It does whatever the >> user wanted it to do if systemd is up and running and falls back to >> doing

Re: [DNG] systemd-free.org

2016-01-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:24:17 +0300 "Jack L. Frost" wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 01:33:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > Arch is a virulently pro-systemd, anti-choice distro... > > Counter-argument: https://fleshless.org/pages/spark.html Nice! I like the documentation

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2016-01-28 Thread Ozi Traveller
Hi Is anyone else experiencing problems I'm using live-build to create the images. Using Guided - use entire disk. "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 is scs13 (0,0,0), parition #1 (sda) at / failed." This started last week. Cheers Ozi

Re: [DNG] systemd-free.org

2016-01-28 Thread Jack L. Frost
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 01:33:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Arch is a virulently pro-systemd, anti-choice distro... Counter-argument: https://fleshless.org/pages/spark.html I have tried to do the same with debian and void, both were much more rigid than Arch and fought me the whole way.

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Arnt Karlsen writes: > Rainer wrote in message > <87powmdcy1@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: >> Steve Litt writes: >> > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100 >> > >> >> > And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?" >> >> > >> >> >

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread richard lucassen
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:34:02 +1300 Daniel Reurich wrote: > > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and > > this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in > > Debian. > > Not yet, but it's noted and I'll work on that next week

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > * In the "configure package manager" section the installer suggests to > choose "security updates" from security.debian.org. According to a > mail on this list from some weeks ago, this is deprecated. Looks like I missed

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat
richard lucassen writes: > Daniel Reurich wrote: > >> > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and >> > this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in >> > Debian. >> >> Not yet, but it's noted and I'll

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:16:22AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:44:54 +, Rainer wrote in message > <87powmdcy1@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > > > Steve Litt writes: > > > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100 > > > > > >> > And

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Arthur Marsh
Daniel Reurich wrote on 28/01/16 22:04: On 29/01/16 00:03, Arthur Marsh wrote: Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without libsystemd0? I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:15:19 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <20160128051519.1fe47...@nb6.lan>: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:03:45 +0100, Florian wrote in message > <20160127200345.2172f3eb.f.zieb...@web.de>: > > > > > I just installed a Devuan system from scratch in "expert mode" from > >

Re: [DNG] Are my messages delivered?

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:12:16 -, dev1fanboy wrote in message <173ed2203f1f8c5daa98e057835b290c.startm...@www.startmail.com>: > I had an issue the other day with my posts not showing up (at all) > once I'd sent them ..moderation? May be adviceable. My biggest problem here is mail list

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:03:45 +0100, Florian wrote in message <20160127200345.2172f3eb.f.zieb...@web.de>: > > I just installed a Devuan system from scratch in "expert mode" from > devuan-jessie-netboot-amd64-alpha2.iso. ..url? I only find i386 in http://packages.devuan.org/alpha-iso-cd/

Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop.

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:14:42 +0200, Lars wrote in message <56a91722.2020...@gmail.com>: > On 01/27/2016 08:53 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > [snip] > > True story, I had a bad battery such that the instant I pulled > > out the power supply, the computer turned off. They wouldn't send > > me a new

[DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Arthur Marsh
Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without libsystemd0? I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in Debian. Arthur. ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:05:08 +0800, Brad wrote in message <56a97754.7050...@fnarfbargle.com>: > I'm running an early 2015 Macbook Pro. I have OSX, Windows 7 & Linux > installed. I live in Linux, but on the rare occassions I need to boot > into OSX or Win 7 I simply s2disk. That way when I

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:44:54 +, Rainer wrote in message <87powmdcy1@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > Steve Litt writes: > > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100 > > > >> > And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?" > >> > > >> >

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-28 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 29/01/16 00:03, Arthur Marsh wrote: > Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without > libsystemd0? > > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this > marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in Debian. > > Arthur. Not yet,

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:20:29 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..and we are sure we didn't fall for another > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack ? Are we?! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:15:01 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > * In the "configure package manager" section the installer suggests > > to choose "security updates" from security.debian.org. According to >